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- Is some of the ambition of the meeting about moving projects into the services column?
- Not necessarily. We have done the low-hanging fruit service (DSpaceDirect). We are not in a crisis and are not abandoning DSpace or Fedora--have enough $ for immediate future. Clarifying roles of community and DuraSpace
- Less about sustainability and more about momentum
- We cannot continue to fill the gap in development costs
- Fedora is a piece of code; "FedoraCloud" would be a service
- VIVO sponsorship level is higher than DSpace or Fedora levels; expectations are that the founding sponsors will set the strategic direction for VIVO; looking into a service offering that will help with VIVO sustainability
- Products not projects?? Projects are not backed up with sales of a product. This is how people know how they are doing and what they are doing.
- How many people believed some or all of these myths (early slide) before this presentation (mixed show of hands)? If people leave understanding this slide the meeting will be a success. This meeting is really about the future of Fedora and DSpace.
- How can we engage the other 93% of repository users (free riders) in new ways?? Can it be done either financially or with contributions in kind?
- Have to find ways for folks outside of ARL to contribute, perhaps non-code, testing, usability perhaps. Many institutions are not able to contribute at the 2-FTE level
- Lifecycle for a stack of software is 5-10 years. This is a different timing issue that general preservation policy and scholarship has already gone digital. "We are in humanities in the digital age."
Tyler Walters (see slides)
- VT participation $122,904 total = 1.4 FTE
- ARL library; 17.2M dollars annually
- For this annual investment we get many benefits
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- Where do the larger increments of dollars that it will cost to participate in DPN beyond 20K--of course there are ongoing costs for having staff participate; leverage the scarce developer resources we have with those of other shops
- When talking digital preservation the language is often not understandable by those people who fund preservation efforts
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- We now enough digital content that u administrators value that we can start having the DPN conversation
Discussion
Does DPN need DuraSpace?
- Code layer at the bottom is necessary to manage your digital content in a way that is visible and meaningful for scholars and scholarship. We need DSpace and Fedora to do this.
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- Without the stack there ain't no DPN; DPN needs repositories. Is the value proposition worth it to the DSpace and Fedora communities
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Does Tyler have an idea of how much that $$ would buy without the community efforts and projects. ?
- The way it works for Virginia Tech is idiosyncratic and involves a lot of "pushing around"
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Sayeed--Need , We need to put a timeframe around this. There is an urgency. Data is being destroyed right now. It is being destroyed now--what was wrong with those people (us).
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- There is not any chance to preserve
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- some materials that are so fragile they are deteriorating.
- Invisible to
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- visible--Ann Wolpert
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- . "You can't see digital."
- Scientific integrity has widespread support
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- Australia there are 2 funding agencies and research data must be accessible; U New South Wales; Fedora is critical to this effort
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- What we pay for software to access collections is high--has 7 people working on Fedora; Tyler's kind of arguments can help illustrate to people why this is important.
Tues. March 13, afternoon sessions
Attendees were asked to have table discussions and report out their answers to the following questions:
- What did you hear today?
- What do you have concerns about?
- What has inspired you?
- What unanswered questions do you have?
What have you heard?
- makes me want to contribute more back (need to do a little clean up) instead of working on something else (Sid from Rice)
- we knew this day was coming – funded thru grants, at some point something needs to change – this is it – the point where we have to step up a little bit
- distribute slides: want numbers – Tyler Walters slides 1.4 FTE – spending so little money in this area, that we need more allocated – I want to double what we spend
- grant $s get whacked by research office – 50% taken off – can’t some of that money help the projects?
- need to make the case that we aren’t just books and stacks
- terminology does matter – project/product/program – maybe program is better – program that spins off projects
- DuraSpace hasn’t broght some of these concerns sooner – need to know what the challnges are we Fedora
- Fedora needs to be backward compatable
- really keen to do open source except when it gets hard
- what is the governance model – how do we make it better
- funding modeles and ROI – we are the choir, we are making the case at our institutions
- governanace/stakeholder engagement – project level and DuraSpace, moving from appointed to elected boards – have some people involved besides just technical
- more communication for roadmapping -
- F & D community can’t sit still
- heard fin position
- surpised that projects are in the red and that it isn’t a problem
- how do we get general presevation problem funded – long term access might be a better way to think about it – current $s vs endowment – and other funding for the whole stack
- both projects are mature, dev is difuse, might not be a good dvelopmetn strategy – look at other models – consolidating resources to make pushes (like Kuali) –
- governance – how to dev roapmap
- developing a common pitch for provost
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What do you have concerns about?
- we were told we are not in crisis, but are we really in crisis?
- urgency – physical backlog of books vs. a digital backlog – digital resources are vulernable
- many people on campus don’t agree that we need an IR
- 70% or organizations resources are dedicated on physical objects
- only 10% of our adopter community that are sponsoring – needs to be higher
- would be good to have an easy way to get from DSpace to Fedora – maybe that is a priority of the community to work on
- how do we make sure non-sponsors are included in community
- multiple 20K sponsorship needs
- deficiets of D & F are a concern, can they be resolved
- need to support community at large, risk factors on relying on just one person
- need more ULs here – need to broaden the base of supporters
- shocked at how low sponsorship rate is – thought it was higher
- donations to broad community effort - DuraSpace – how does contributions benefit the platforms
- excitement around FF project – not an equivelent for DSpace – possible neglect
- same/usual suspects that contribute – fatigue – need to expand contributions (financial and inkind) by other inst.
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What has inspired you?
- urgency of the digital dark age
- good to know DuraSpace not in crisis
- we have to take ownership and DuraSpace seems to be the place to take ownership
- how Lyrasis position’s itself as a svc – maybe DuraSpace would posistion itelf that way
- by the financial position of DuraSpace
- excelleration of the createion of dig data – is there a space to consider policy workflow layers so we don’t all re-create
- openess and transparency
- ROI discussion from Tyler
- Tyler – how much actual $ spent – suggests there is a lot of pontential upside – but how do we get there
- James stack – helped
- we are not dealing with digital humanities we are dealing with humanities that are digital
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What unanswered questions do you have?
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