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[11:59] <@carols> thanks again to everyone for coming. we'll be starting in about 2 minutes with the rejected orgs session.
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[11:59] <@carols> if you're not here for that session, you might want to come back to this channel in a few hours :-)
[11:59] <@carols> please check out the topic if you are here for that session.
[12:00] <@carols> please speak to kblin for getting your voice and about bot or queue questions.
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[12:00] <@carols> okay, i'm going to start in about 1 minute.
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[12:02] <@carols> ======Begin IRC Feedback Session for Rejected GSoC Organizations 2012=======
[12:02] <@kblin> !nextinline
[12:02] <+gsocbot> kblin: Next in line is ries with notice 'librecad http://librecad.org'
[12:02] <@carols> thank you everyone for coming.
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[12:02] <@carols> firstly, if you're here for the rejected orgs session and have no idea what's going on, please check the topic or speak to kblin.
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[12:03] <@carols> secondly, i'm sorry we couldn't accept all of you. as with every year, we had a limited number of spaces and more orgs than we could accept.
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[12:03] <@kblin> I'll be replying to your queries momentarily
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[12:03] <@carols> thirdly, we worked again very hard this year at accepting a lot of new organizations.
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[12:03] <@carols> unfortunately this meant we had to reject some orgs that had participated in years past. in some cases organizations that have participated in many years in the past.
[12:04] <@carols> we encourage you all to try again next year and to understand that this is just the way gsoc works sometimes: we're always trying to get new people into the community and new experiences for the students.
[12:04] <@carols> so with that, please make sure you know where your ideas page is for when you're called on and i will reference your application in melange myself.
[12:04] <@carols> kblin: can we have the first contestant?
[12:04] == mode/#gsoc [+v librecad|showard] by kblin
[12:05] <+librecad|showard> thanks
[12:05] <@carols> hi librecad|showard
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[12:05] <@carols> let me pull up your app.
[12:05] <+librecad|showard> idea page: http://wiki.librecad.org/index.php/GSoC_2012
[12:05] <@carols> librecad|showard: thank you.
[12:06] <@carols> alright, so i'm looking at our feedback on your org. we *loved* your ideas page.
[12:06] <@carols> thought it was really well done and organized.
[12:07] <@carols> looks like we liked the application as a whole, as well. unfortunately this was a tough decision for us.
[12:07] <@carols> looks like you made it to the final round, but we were constrained on space.
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[12:07] <@carols> i would really encourage you to apply again next year. we had to make a tough call here, unfortunately.
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[12:07] <+librecad|showard> ah, understood - we appreciate we got that far. hopefully next year tehn
[12:07] <@carols> please keep the ideas page in a similar format :-)
[12:08] <@carols> yeah, i'm sorry. :-(
[12:08] <+librecad|showard> thanks for consideration and for the gsoc program
[12:08] <@carols> of course.
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[12:08] <@carols> kblin: our next contestant?
[12:08] <@kblin> !nextinline
[12:08] <+gsocbot> kblin: Next in line is stefanha with notice 'qemu http://wiki.qemu.org/Google_Summer_of_Code_2012'
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[12:09] <@carols> hi qemu|stefanha
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[12:09] <+qemu|stefanha> hi carols
[12:09] <@carols> let me check out your application.
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[12:10] <@carols> so it looks like you guys have done well in the past and had a strong application this year.
[12:10] <@carols> unfortunately this was a case of us making some space for some new orgs this year.
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[12:10] <+qemu|stefanha> carols: What are you looking for in the orgs that do make the final cut?
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[12:11] <@carols> qemu|stefanha: we didn't set out with specific criteria, we were mixing it up some. we accepted 41 new orgs, and unfortunately that meant that some orgs that had participated in the past didn't make it this year.
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[12:12] <+qemu|stefanha> carols: I understand.  Were the orgs that got cut out this year random?
[12:12] <+qemu|stefanha> Or is there something we can do to improve?
[12:12] <@carols> qemu|stefanha: I'm looking at your ideas page, and in some cases i would suggest improvement there , but in your case i actually think you did a good job with it.
[12:13] <@carols> i would say again this was simply a matter of making some space for other orgs, and i think your application as a whole was strong.
[12:13] <@carols> i'm sorry my answer probably isn't very satisfying.
[12:13] <@carols> please do try again next year.
[12:13] <+qemu|stefanha> carols: We'll definitely try again next year because past gsocs have been great :)
[12:13] <+qemu|stefanha> Thanks for considering QEMU.org
[12:13] <@carols> thanks so much :-)
[12:13] <@carols> of course.
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[12:14] <@carols> kblin: next please?
[12:14] <@kblin> !nextinline
[12:14] <+gsocbot> kblin: Next in line is ndp_opendap with notice 'OPeNDAP http://www.opendap.org'
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[12:14] <@carols> hello OPeNDAP|ndp
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[12:14] <+OPeNDAP|ndp> Greetings: http://docs.opendap.org/index.php/Google_Summer_of_Code_2012_Ideas
[12:14] == mode/#gsoc [-v qemu|stefanha] by kblin
[12:14] <+OPeNDAP|ndp> There's the ideas page
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[12:14] <@carols> hi OPeNDAP|ndp
[12:14] <@carols> already said that :-P
[12:14] <+OPeNDAP|ndp> :)
[12:14] <@carols> looking over your ideas page now
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[12:15] <@carols> alright, so in this case we would have liked a bit more "meat" on the ideas page.
[12:15] <+OPeNDAP|ndp> Ok...
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[12:15] <+OPeNDAP|ndp> The ideas are links to their own pages. Is that a formatting problem? Or are the details pages too light also?
[12:16] <@carols> it's really a matter of the quantity.
[12:16] <+OPeNDAP|ndp> Ahhh
[12:16] <+OPeNDAP|ndp> ok
[12:16] <+OPeNDAP|ndp> more ideas.
[12:16] <@carols> i realize it may be the case that you only have a few things that students can work on
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[12:16] <@carols> but we're expecting a bit more from your community and your mentors.
[12:16] <@carols> the detail on the ideas themselves is fine.
[12:16] <@carols> it's a variety of ideas for a bunch of students that we want to be available :-)
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[12:17] <@carols> let me take a quick look at the application as well to see if i have anything else.
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[12:17] <@carols> ah, i see you also didn't really answer how you planned to deal with disappearing mentors
[12:17] <+OPeNDAP|ndp> So you're looking for a broader spread of possible activities for the students? Like ten ideas? 20?
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[12:18] <+OPeNDAP|ndp> Dissappearing Mentors?
[12:18] <@carols> OPeNDAP|ndp: 10 would be fine if you're a small community. 20 is fine too. it's really the fact that we want a lot of variety available to the students.
[12:18] <@carols> OPeNDAP|ndp: yes, on your application. the question about how you plan to deal with disappearing mentors.
[12:18] <@carols> you said it was very unlikely.
[12:18] *gsocbot* queue DuraSpace https://wiki.duraspace.org/display/GSOC/Google+Summer+of+Code+(GSOC)
[12:18] <@carols> unfortunately we really want you to have a plan in place regardless of how likely it is.
[12:19] <@carols> so those are the two things for next year/
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[12:19] <@carols> hope that helps.
[12:19] <+OPeNDAP|ndp> I'm sorry I I guess I missed that question. The fact is that in our Org the Mentors we have are all working for OPenDAP so we won't disappear unless the group goes under.
[12:19] <@carols> OPeNDAP|ndp: yes, but what if someone gets hit by a bus, as terrible as it sounds.
[12:19] <+OPeNDAP|ndp> Which means we're all looking for new work at that point...
[12:19] <+OPeNDAP|ndp> right
[12:19] <@carols> we want to know what will happen to the student being mentored by that mentor.
[12:19] <@carols> that sort of thing.
[12:20] <+OPeNDAP|ndp> I did not answer the question? Like I said - I must have missed it.
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[12:20] <+OPeNDAP|ndp> thanks.
[12:20] <@carols> "This is very unlikely. Most of our mentors are funded by soft-money grants to work for us!"
[12:20] <+OPeNDAP|ndp> So Should we bother to return i the future?
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[12:20] <@carols> i would absolutely encourage you to apply again next year.
[12:20] <@carols> just take those two items into stronger consideration :-)
[12:20] <+OPeNDAP|ndp> ok
[12:21] <@carols> thanks for your previous participation.
[12:21] <@carols> we appreciate it.
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[12:21] <+OPeNDAP|ndp> thanks Carols
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[12:21] <@carols> yw.
[12:21] <@carols> kblin: next?
[12:21] <@kblin> !nextinline
[12:21] <+gsocbot> kblin: Next in line is neverpanic with notice 'macports http://trac.macports.org/wiki/SummerOfCode'
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[12:21] <+macports|nvrpnc> Hi carols, thanks for having us.
[12:21] <@carols> hi macports|snc and macports folks
[12:21] <@carols> let me check out your app.
[12:22] <+macports|snc> hi
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[12:22] <@carols> man, i have to give out this feedback a lot today, it seems: we really liked your ideas page and your application.
[12:23] <@carols> this again was a matter of having to make some room for new orgs this year.
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[12:23] <@carols> we really appreciate your work with gsoc in the past.
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[12:23] <+macports|snc> cool, thanks carols
[12:23] <+macports|snc> we enjoy participating—thanks for keeping the program going
[12:23] <@carols> you did a great job with your ideas page in particular.
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[12:23] <@carols> i'm sorry it isn't really helpful feedback :-/
[12:24] <@carols> please do try again next year.
[12:24] <+macports|snc> definitely. see you then!
[12:24] <+macports|nvrpnc> Is there anything we could improve? Always looking for places to work on...
[12:24] <@carols> this looks like a really strong application to me.
[12:24] <@carols> please keep the quality the same and try again next year
[12:24] <@carols> we are just making way for new orgs.
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[12:25] <@carols> sorry it's not a more satisfying answer.
[12:25] <+macports|nvrpnc> ok, thanks for the possibilty to participate in the last years then (I myself had the chance to take part :))
[12:25] <@carols> of course.
[12:25] <@carols> have a great summer :-)
[12:25] <+macports|nvrpnc> and good luck with this year's GSoC
[12:25] <@carols> thank you.
[12:25] <@carols> ill need it ;-)
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[12:25] <@kblin> !nextinline
[12:25] <+gsocbot> kblin: Next in line is deshantm_ with notice 'Xen.org http://wiki.xen.org/wiki/Archived/GSoC_2012_Ideas'
[12:25] <@carols> thanks kblin
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[12:25] <+xen|deshantm> thanks kblin
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[12:26] <+xen|lars_kurth> thanks kblin
[12:26] <+xen|deshantm> hi carols
[12:26] <@carols> hey xen|deshantm and xen folks
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[12:26] <@carols> so firstly, your ideas page could have used a little work this year.
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[12:26] <+xen|deshantm> carols: quanity or quality issues?
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[12:27] <+xen|lars_kurth> We were a little late: so the message is to have the ideas page ready when we apply
[12:27] <@carols> the amount of ideas is nice, but i would have liked more information on each of them.
[12:27] <@carols> yeah, definitely.
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[12:28] <+xen|lars_kurth> We had a lot of stuff prepared, just not agreed it and decided to not yet publish
[12:28] <@carols> alright, well, maybe that was part of the problem this year :-(
[12:28] <+xen|lars_kurth> In future the advice is to do all this before the application of the mentor org?
[12:28] <@carols> yeah, i would highly recommend it.
[12:28] <+xen|deshantm> carols: we can put up more ideas and more details for next year
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[12:28] <@carols> especially for a returning org that we don't focus so much on your answers to each question on the application, the ideas page really stands out to us.
[12:28] <@carols> and if it's not very fleshed out...
[12:28] <+xen|lars_kurth> OK!
[12:29] <@carols> i would encourage you to try again next year for sure.
[12:29] <+xen|lars_kurth> Any other stuff on the application?
[12:29] <+xen|lars_kurth> feedback I meant
[12:29] <@carols> let me take another look.
[12:30] <@carols> no, i'm ok with the rest of the application as a whole. it's really the ideas page that kind of turned it for you.
[12:30] <@carols> i hope you'll try again.
[12:30] <+xen|lars_kurth> OK: we will definitely do better next year!
[12:30] <@carols> and thank you for your participation in the past
[12:30] <+xen|deshantm> thanks for considering xen.org
[12:30] <@carols> of course.
[12:30] <+xen|deshantm> thanks carols
[12:30] <+xen|lars_kurth> Good luck with the program
[12:30] <@carols> have a great summer.
[12:30] <@carols> thanks :-)
[12:31] <@carols> kblin: next? :-)
[12:31] <@kblin> !nextinline
[12:31] <+gsocbot> kblin: Next in line is etobi with notice 'typo3 http://typo3.org/development/gsoc2012'
[12:31] <@carols> hey typo3 folks
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[12:31] <+TYPO3|IngoRenner> Hi Carol
[12:31] <+TYPO3|etobi> Hej carols
[12:31] <+TYPO3|foertel> hey
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[12:31] <@carols> let me pull up your application.
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[12:32] <@carols> this one is again one that turned on the ideas page.
[12:33] <+TYPO3|IngoRenner> anything in particular?
[12:33] <+TYPO3|etobi> hmm.. okay.. what do you think we could improve?
[12:33] <@carols> i think we were expecting a wider range of ideas to start. more overall.
[12:33] <@carols> and a couple of the ideas didn't really seem fleshed-out enough.
[12:33] <@carols> they sort of seemed like notes that would get filled in later
[12:33] <@carols> i would like to see the languages for all the ideas, possible mentors, and an extensive description of the idea for each one.
[12:34] <@carols> i know your org has participated in the past, but we expect high quality ideas pages every year :-)
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[12:34] <@carols> I'm looking at the application, and your answers to the questions are strong.
[12:35] <@carols> so really, please firm up the ideas page for next year and i encourage you to try again.
[12:35] <+TYPO3|etobi> we tried to keep some ideas rough and open for student's suggestions
[12:35] <@carols> i understand.
[12:35] <+TYPO3|etobi> We'll definitely apply again next year
[12:35] <+TYPO3|IngoRenner> +1
[12:35] <@carols> what i would recommend is you have a separate "your idea here" idea
[12:35] <@carols> and then the rest are very well-defined ones
[12:35] <@carols> yes, please do try again next year.
[12:36] <@carols> we appreciate your participation in the past, for sure
[12:36] <+TYPO3|IngoRenner> we had a form down there for the student ideas
[12:36] <+TYPO3|etobi> we definitly need to start to collect our ideas earlier for the next year to have more time
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[12:38] == mode/#gsoc [+vvvv ffmpeg|ubitux ffmpeg|compn ffmpeg|saste ffmpeg|durandal] by kblin
[12:38] == mode/#gsoc [+v ffmpeg|beastd] by kblin
[12:38] <+ffmpeg|ubitux> hi :)
[12:38] <+ffmpeg|beastd> hi carols
[12:38] <+ffmpeg|saste> hi carols, hi all, thanks for organizing this session
[12:38] == mode/#gsoc [-vvv TYPO3|foertel TYPO3|IngoRenner TYPO3|etobi] by kblin
[12:38] <@carols> of course. let me check out your app, just a sec.
[12:39] <@carols> so the ideas page looks ok to me, although some of the ideas could have been a little more fleshed out.
[12:39] <@carols> but it's alright.
[12:40] <@carols> i would have liked a more thought-out answer about disappearing mentors on your app, actually.
[12:40] == angeldelblanco has changed nick to eadventure|angel
[12:40] == KaKila has changed nick to Octave|KaKila
[12:40] <+ffmpeg|saste> we were tight with time, and i believe we should suit the task to each student, so some tasks were deliberately not very well specified
[12:41] == selfthinker has changed nick to DokuWiki|Anika
[12:41] <@carols> yeah, i understand. mostly this was a matter of making some room for new orgs.
[12:41] == gnucash|mch_ has changed nick to gnucash|mch
[12:41] == MatthewWilkes has changed nick to plone|matthewwil
[12:41] <@carols> i think you could slightly improve a couple things for next year, but overall, this was just not enough space
[12:42] <+ffmpeg|ubitux> kblin: i think you forgot to voice the maintainer of the project
[12:42] == TYPO3|IngoRenner has changed nick to IngoRenner
[12:42] <@kblin> whoops, who is that?
[12:42] <+ffmpeg|ubitux> ffmpeg|michaelni
[12:42] == mode/#gsoc [+v ffmpeg|michaelni] by kblin
[12:42] <+ffmpeg|ubitux> thank you :)
[12:42] <@kblin> sorry, there's so many of you folks
[12:42] <+ffmpeg|saste> nothing more specific?
[12:42] <@carols> yeah, i know it's not very satisfying.
[12:42] <+ffmpeg|saste> is just something related to the application?
[12:43] <@carols> we really are just trying to make space for new orgs this year.
[12:43] <+ffmpeg|saste> what can we do to improve our chances the next year?
[12:43] <@carols> spend even more time fleshing out ideas on your ideas page and try again :-)
[12:43] <@carols> everyone has even chances every year.
[12:43] <@carols> no one any more than anyone else.
[12:43] <+ffmpeg|ubitux> may i ask why libav got in but not ffmpeg?
[12:43] <+ffmpeg|ubitux> what are we lacking here?
[12:44] <@carols> libav probably got in on the strength of their ideas page and application.
[12:44] <+ffmpeg|beastd> i don't think they differ in quality
[12:44] == mode/#gsoc [+o Catfish_Man] by ChanServ
[12:44] <@carols> alright, well, i'm sorry you weren't accepted this year.
[12:44] <@carols> please try again next year.
[12:45] <@carols> and thank you for your participation in the past!
[12:45] <@carols> we really appreciate it.
[12:45] <+ffmpeg|beastd> so nothing we did wrong particular?
[12:45] == coreboot_marcj has changed nick to coreboot|marcj
[12:46] <@carols> ffmpeg|beastd: well, as i said, i would have liked the ideas page slightly more fleshed out. but mostly this was a matter of us wanting to accept a lot of new orgs and only having space for so many.
[12:46] <@carols> so a lot of returning orgs were rejected this year.
[12:46] <@carols> it's the way gsoc works, unfortunately or fortunately depending on how you look at it.
[12:46] == feroze_ has changed nick to feroze
[12:46] <@carols> i hope you will try again next year.
[12:46] <+ffmpeg|beastd> well it is hard to look at. but we will try again ;)
[12:46] <@carols> grea :-)
[12:46] <+ffmpeg|saste> carols: we'll try next year, we'll try to do better with task definition and appllication
[12:46] <@carols> great, even
[12:47] <@carols> thank you.
[12:47] <@kblin> !nextinline
[12:47] <+gsocbot> kblin: Next in line is JordiGH with notice 'octave http://octave.org/wiki/index.php?title=GSoC_Project_Ideas'
[12:47] == mode/#gsoc [+vv Octave|KaKila Octave|JordiGH] by kblin
[12:47] <+Octave|JordiGH> :-)
[12:47] <@carols> hi octave folks
[12:47] <+Octave|KaKila> Hi there
[12:47] <+Octave|JordiGH> Our lead dev isn't here. He's got family business.
[12:47] <+Octave|JordiGH> We'll show him the log later.
[12:47] == mode/#gsoc [-vvv ffmpeg|ubitux ffmpeg|compn ffmpeg|saste] by kblin
[12:47] == mode/#gsoc [-vv ffmpeg|beastd ffmpeg|michaelni] by kblin
[12:48] <@carols> ah, ok. so i spoke to the gnu project folks and they said they'd be able to take you on in an umbrella situation.
[12:48] == dberkholz|mob has changed nick to X_Org|dberkholz|
[12:48] <@carols> is that the case?
[12:48] <@carols> i hope so :-)
[12:48] <+Octave|JordiGH> Yeah, GNU and us are tight.
[12:48] <+Octave|JordiGH> Is that mostly the reason?
[12:48] <@carols> since we only had a certain number of slots, yes
[12:48] == cancer has changed nick to lavakesh
[12:48] <@carols> we want you to be part of the gnu project umbrella
[12:48] == ffmpeg|ubitux has changed nick to ubitux
[12:48] <+Octave|JordiGH> Did our application look good otherwise? We might try to declare independence again next year.
[12:49] <@carols> let me take a look
[12:49] == ffmpeg|saste has changed nick to saste
[12:49] <@carols> yes, i like your ideas page and how it's organized.
[12:50] <@carols> and i like the application.
[12:50] <@carols> we had a lot of space discussions this year for all of our orgs.
[12:50] == ffmpeg|michaelni has changed nick to michaelni
[12:50] <@carols> and this was one of the discussions where we didn't have room for each individual org but still wanted to give you the opportunity to mentor students.
[12:51] <+Octave|JordiGH> I see. So in the future, should we try again to submit an application or keep working under GNU?
[12:51] <@carols> i think you can apply again individually next year with a similarly strong application.
[12:51] <@carols> every year is a different organization juggling act.
[12:51] <@carols> this year it went to you all participating under gnu project, next year who knows.
[12:51] <+Octave|JordiGH> There's one more thing. One of our former lead devs, 3rd guy historically most active, now works for Google. I should have mentioned him in the part where a Googler vouches for us, right?
[12:52] == ffmpeg|beastd has changed nick to beastd
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[12:52] <@carols> Octave|JordiGH: in your case it wouldn't have made much difference with the googled vouching as this was a space issue, not a matter of us not being sure about your organization as a whole.
[12:52] <@carols> googler, not googled
[12:53] <@carols> we use the vouching system for those orgs we don't know that well.
[12:53] <@carols> this was a case of us just having to make tough calls about numbers.
[12:53] <@carols> so i encourage you to try again next year.
[12:53] <+Octave|JordiGH> Alright. Now I take this a lot less personally than I did when I first got the rejection notice. Kidding, I know it's not personal, but R supposedly is also GNU and they're independent... I know it's not really a competition, but... y'know... :-)
[12:53] <@carols> it's not a competition and it's not personal, i assure you.
[12:54] <@carols> every rejection breaks my heart every year.
[12:54] <+Octave|JordiGH> Okay, thanks. Octave|KaKila, want to add anything?
[12:54] <+Octave|KaKila> Octave|JordiGH: carols, no it is fine. Thank carols for your time.
[12:54] <@kblin> !nextinline
[12:54] <+gsocbot> kblin: Next in line is jitsi_emcho with notice 'jitsi http://jitsi.org/index.php/Development/GSoC'
[12:54] <@carols> thank you all for coming.
[12:54] <@carols> hi jitsi folks
[12:54] == mode/#gsoc [+vv jitsi_emcho jitsi_yana] by kblin
[12:54] <+jitsi_emcho> hey carols
[12:54] == mode/#gsoc [-vv Octave|KaKila Octave|JordiGH] by kblin
[12:54] <+jitsi_emcho> thanks for the info session!
[12:55] == Octave|KaKila has changed nick to KaKila
[12:55] <+jitsi_yana> hey carols
[12:55] <@carols> boy, i am doing this a lot today.
[12:55] <@carols> we loved your ideas page
[12:55] <@carols> and your application.
[12:55] <+jitsi_emcho> thanks!
[12:55] <@carols> and you have been great in the past.
[12:56] == Octave|JordiGH has changed nick to JordiGH
[12:56] <@carols> i'm sorry, this really isn't going to be helpful, but we really just needed space for new orgs this year
[12:56] <+jitsi_emcho> we understand :).
[12:56] <@carols> we really appreciate your participation in the past.
[12:57] <+jitsi_emcho> should we maybe wait one extra year or is it ok to apply again next year?
[12:57] <@carols> please do try again next year with the same strong ideas page and application.
[12:57] <@carols> it's fine to try again next year.
[12:57] <+jitsi_emcho> ok will definitely do!
[12:57] <@carols> this was a tough call.
[12:57] == jralls has changed nick to gnucash|jralls
[12:57] <@carols> as i said, every rejection breaks my heart.
[12:57] <+jitsi_emcho> thanks a lot for the feedback then! it feels better to know we didn't do anything wrong! :)
[12:58] <@carols> please have a great summer anyway :-)
[12:58] <@kblin> !nextinline
[12:58] <+gsocbot> kblin: Next in line is Michitux with notice 'dokuwiki http://www.dokuwiki.org/devel:gsoc?rev=1331246245#ideas'
[12:58] <+jitsi_emcho> Have a great summer! and good luck with the project!
[12:58] <@carols> thanks :-)
[12:58] == mode/#gsoc [+vv DokuWiki|Michitu DokuWiki|Anika] by kblin
[12:58] <@carols> hi dokuwiki folks
[12:58] <+jitsi_emcho> (meant program sorry)
[12:58] <+DokuWiki|Michitu> hi carols
[12:58] == mode/#gsoc [-vv jitsi_emcho jitsi_yana] by kblin
[12:58] * DokuWiki|Anika smiles and waves silently at carols
[12:58] <@carols> let me check out your app, just a sec.
[12:59] <@carols> so i appreciated your ideas page, but would have liked a few more ideas and information on each idea for the students.
[12:59] <@carols> i know you can drill down on them, but overall more info would have been helpful.
[13:00] <@carols> and more possible ideas overall.
[13:00] <+DokuWiki|Michitu> okay, anything else we could improve?
[13:01] <@carols> i know you participated last year, but i would have liked a more extensive, thought out answer about disappearing mentors too.
[13:01] <@carols> i'm sure you could handle it if it happened, but it's really something important to us to see you've got a plan for.
[13:01] == bistromath has changed nick to gnuradio|bistrom
[13:01] <@carols> those are the two main things i see.
[13:02] <@carols> so even though neither one was a deal breaker, in tandem with our space issues this year, unfortunately the choosing didn't go in your favor. :-/
[13:02] <+DokuWiki|Michitu> okay, I think we answered just the same as last year but we will make a better plan for it next time
[13:02] == Stepan has changed nick to coreboot|Stepan
[13:02] <@carols> thank you. please do try again next year.
[13:02] <@carols> every year we reassess every org.
[13:03] <@carols> and thank you for participating last year!
[13:03] <+DokuWiki|Michitu> okay, thank you for the feedback and also for the possibility to participate last year
[13:03] <@carols> of course.
[13:03] <@carols> thanks again
[13:03] <@kblin> !nextinline
[13:03] <+gsocbot> kblin: Next in line is stefanha_qemu
[13:03] <@mlankhorst> we already did qemu right?
[13:03] <@kblin> ah, had that one already
[13:03] <@kblin> !nextinline
[13:03] <+gsocbot> kblin: Next in line is jitsi_yana with notice 'Jitsi http://jitsi.org/index.php/Development/GSoC'
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[13:03] <@kblin> !nextinline
[13:03] <+gsocbot> kblin: Next in line is stumm with notice 'astrometry.net http://trac.astrometry.net/wiki/GSOC2012'
[13:04] <@carols> hi astrometry folks
[13:04] == mode/#gsoc [+v astrometry|stumm] by kblin
[13:04] <+astrometry|stumm> hi
[13:04] == mode/#gsoc [-vv DokuWiki|Michitu DokuWiki|Anika] by kblin
[13:04] <+astrometry|stumm> i'm filling in for the others who couldn't make it today
[13:04] == dhaun has changed nick to geeklog|dhaun
[13:04] <@carols> astrometry|stumm: so your ideas page was really disappointing this year. :-(
[13:05] <@carols> i know you have a bunch listed under "coding projects", but they're not organized with skill level, language, mentors, anything like that.
[13:05] <+astrometry|stumm> (I wasn't involved with the application this year) but i saw that as well :(
[13:05] <@carols> and the landing page for the ideas page is really sparce.
[13:05] <@carols> students would probably struggle with it.
[13:05] == coreboot|swiftge has changed nick to coreboot|swift
[13:06] <@carols> the application questions were also a little sparse too, not very well fleshed out.
[13:06] <@carols> i know you participated last year, but every org has to work hard at their application every year.
[13:07] <@carols> i hope that helps.
[13:07] <+astrometry|stumm> i understand. i'll pass that feedback along
[13:07] <@carols> i encourage you to try again next year!
[13:07] <+astrometry|stumm> it's very helpful
[13:07] <+astrometry|stumm> and i expect we'll apply again
[13:07] <@carols> great, glad to hear it :-)
[13:07] <+astrometry|stumm> thanks again for the opportunity last year :)
[13:07] <@kblin> for anybody here wondering about the current state of the queue (I get asked alot), /msg gsocbot showqueue to see the next 10 positions
[13:07] <@carols> of course.
[13:07] <@carols> have a great summer.
[13:07] <@kblin> !nextinline
[13:08] <+astrometry|stumm> you too
[13:08] <+astrometry|stumm> thanks again
[13:08] <@carols> :-)
[13:08] <@kblin> hmm
[13:08] <@carols> you're welcome.
[13:08] <@carols> kblin: queue out of order?
[13:08] <@Lennie> kblin, it's being overrun with showqueue commands
[13:08] <@Lennie> just to keep it from spamming it's throttling replies
[13:08] <+gsocbot> kblin: Next in line is marcj with notice 'coreboot http://www.coreboot.org/Project_Ideas'
[13:08] <@kblin> I think a lot of people DDoSing it with showqueue
[13:08] <@Lennie> :)
[13:08] == buzztroll has changed nick to buzz|Nimbus
[13:08] *gsocbot* showqueue
[13:08] <@Lennie> there we go
[13:08] <@carols> hi coreboot folks
[13:09] == mode/#gsoc [+vvvv coreboot|Stepan coreboot|svens coreboot|marcj coreboot|QingPei] by kblin
[13:09] == mode/#gsoc [+v coreboot|swift] by kblin
[13:09] <+coreboot|marcj> Hi carols
[13:09] <+coreboot|Stepan> Thanks! Hi Carol
[13:09] <+coreboot|marcj> Our project ideas page: http://www.coreboot.org/Project_Ideas there is also a page dedicated to flashrom ideas: http://www.flashrom.org/GSoC  Both are linked on our GSoC landing page: http://www.coreboot.org/index.php?title=GSoC&oldid=11056
[13:09] == jitsi_emcho has changed nick to emcho
[13:09] *gsocbot* showqueue
[13:09] <@carols> yeah, i think the ideas page was an issue here for you.
[13:10] <@carols> you have ideas on there with a space for a mentor and no one listed, ideas that are just one sentence and not really described, etc.
[13:10] <@carols> one idea with question marks for links and a mentor.
[13:10] <@carols> i actually liked your application overall
[13:10] <+coreboot|marcj> ok, I agree that we hadn't completed cleanup of it by application time.
[13:10] <@carols> but the ideas page kind of did you in.
[13:11] <@carols> we really want the ideas page to be in top working order for the students.
[13:11] == buzz|Nimbus has changed nick to Nimbus|buzz
[13:11] <@carols> we want them to have a good experience when they first come see your org.
[13:11] <@carols> and the ideas page is how they do that.
[13:12] <@carols> we really appreciate your participation in the past!
[13:12] <@carols> i hope you'll try again next year with a stronger ideas page.
[13:12] <+coreboot|Stepan> we will. :)
[13:12] <@carols> awesome :-)
[13:12] <@carols> hope you have a great summer
[13:12] <+coreboot|marcj> yes, we will work on that for next year.
[13:12] <@kblin> !nextinline
[13:12] <+coreboot|marcj> thanks.
[13:12] <@carols> thank you.
[13:13] <@kblin> aw, the poor bot :)
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[13:13] <@carols> it's tired.
[13:13] == switftgeek has changed nick to swiftgeek
[13:13] <@kblin> but looking at my log of the queue...
[13:13] * carols serves the bot some coffee
[13:13] == mode/#gsoc [+v Jane__] by kblin
[13:13] == mode/#gsoc [-vvvv coreboot|Stepan coreboot|svens coreboot|marcj coreboot|QingPei] by kblin
[13:13] == mode/#gsoc [-v swiftgeek] by kblin
[13:13] <+Jane__> hi carols. here's the ideas page as it stood when app deadline hit: http://codex.wordpress.org/index.php?title=GSoC2012&oldid=114656
[13:13] <@carols> thanks Jane__
[13:13] <@carols> let me go look at your app.
[13:13] <@carols> just a sec.
[13:14] <+Jane__> no rush. to keep things moving along, i pre-typed anything i could think of that i might want to say. :)
[13:14] <@kblin> ok, I've changed my mind. everybody please stop hitting gsocbot with showqueue commadns now.. :)
[13:15] <@carols> so the ideas page looks ok for your org, although i would have liked it to have some info on language for each project, possible mentors, and difficulty level.
[13:15] <@carols> and some of the ideas are a little sparse.
[13:15] <@carols> but overall, it's ok.
[13:15] <+Jane__> based on our email correspondence, i had just gotten the entire dev/contributor group to agree to do an entire summer release cycle around gsoc projects, so no contributing dev would have had to split time between mentoring and separate feature development, and everyone would be a mentor. (I think that would have been really cool.)
[13:15] <+Jane__> Had removed some of our less interesting projects from the ideas page and the previous mentor list, but not yet added the dev cycle projects/tickets/contribs list since we just got the okay right at deadline, so Ideas page was still just showing the remaining standalone projects. oh well.
[13:16] <@carols> mostly this was another numbers issue, overall. combined with a less than ideal ideas page, well...
[13:16] <@carols> we had to make a lot of tough call.s
[13:16] <@carols> calls
[13:16] <@carols> i hope you'll try again next year.
[13:16] <+Jane__> it's actually the same one from last year, jut with some things removed bc i was about to replace with new info based on the emails
[13:16] <+Jane__> We might try to do a summer mentorship program on our own so the students aren't disappointed. Wish us luck!
[13:16] <@carols> good luck!
[13:17] <@carols> i think that's great.
[13:17] <@carols> i hope it goes well.
[13:17] <@carols> I'm sure it will.
[13:17] <+gsocbot> kblin: Next in line is Jane__ with notice 'WordPress http://codex.wordpress.org/GSoC2012'
[13:17] <+Jane__> talking to Leah from Ruby to see how it went for them
[13:17] <@carols> awesome!
[13:17] <+Jane__> thanks for the feedback
[13:17] <@carols> have a great summer!
[13:17] <+Jane__> you too!
[13:17] <@carols> you're welcome.
[13:17] <@carols> kblin: that sure is a slow bot :-)
[13:18] <@kblin> !nextinline
[13:18] * carols has some tea while she waits
[13:18] == ajs has changed nick to LimeSurvey|ajs
[13:18] <@kblin> for everybody who's interested, there's a snapshot of the queue at http://kblin.org/gsoc_queue.txt
[13:18] <@Catfish_Man> kblin: I think your bot could use some more inlining
[13:18] <@kblin> I'll update it regularly
[13:19] <+gsocbot> kblin: Next in line is ffmpeg|ubitux with notice 'ffmpeg http://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php?title=FFmpeg_Summer_Of_Code'
[13:19] <@kblin> !nextinline
[13:19] <+gsocbot> kblin: Next in line is Dolibarr|eldy with notice 'Dolibarr http://wiki.dolibarr.org/index.php/Google_Summer_of_Code_Ideas_2012'
[13:19] == mode/#gsoc [+v eldy10] by kblin
[13:19] <@carols> hi Dolibarr folks
[13:20] <@kblin> hm, hang on
[13:20] <@carols> sure.
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[13:21] <@kblin> eldy10: please try again
[13:22] <@kblin> ah, two nicks, missed that one
[13:22] <@kblin> eldy10: try with the eldy10 nick, please
[13:22] <@kblin> the one that's voiced now, in any case :)
[13:22] == mode/#gsoc [+v eldy] by kblin
[13:22] == eldy has changed nick to Dolibarr|eldy
[13:22] <+Dolibarr|eldy> Hi carols
[13:22] <@carols> hi Dolibarr|eldy
[13:22] <@carols> there we go
[13:23] <+Dolibarr|eldy> sorry for problem with my chat client
[13:23] <@carols> no worries.
[13:23] <+Dolibarr|eldy> Idea page: http://wiki.dolibarr.org/index.php/Google_Summer_of_Code_Ideas_2012
[13:23] <@carols> so looking at your application it looks like the ideas page was our main issue. i like that you have information about each idea, but we really need more quantity there.
[13:23] <@carols> i realize you're probably a small org, but we want a wide variety of things available to the students.
[13:24] <+Dolibarr|eldy> It's what i understood from previous feeedback with other project.
[13:24] <@carols> yeah.
[13:24] <@carols> your application looks good. i appreciate that you'll have a backup mentor for every project
[13:24] <@carols> that's good.
[13:24] <@carols> its really about the number of ideas available to the students.
[13:24] <+Dolibarr|eldy> It was our first participation, and we did not provide a lot of idea because we would like "good" idea only and limit things on purpose
[13:24] <@carols> i would encourage you to find more possible projects for your ideas page and try again next year.
[13:24] <+Dolibarr|eldy> now i know it was not a good idea.
[13:25] <@carols> keep the ideas formatting the same, just add more :-)
[13:25] <+Dolibarr|eldy> we have tons of idea. It was just on purpose we limit them. So it will be easy to fix this next year
[13:25] <@carols> great :-)
[13:25] <@carols> glad to hear it
[13:25] <@carols> please do try again next year.
[13:25] <+Dolibarr|eldy> is there something else (feedback) or only the number of idea ?
[13:26] <@carols> that was really all of it. unfortunately these gsoc applications can turn on just one thing.
[13:26] <@carols> and in your case, it was that.
[13:26] <@carols> the rest of your application looks good.
[13:26] <+Dolibarr|eldy> I understand.
[13:26] <@carols> please keep the quality up for next year.
[13:26] <+Dolibarr|eldy> Thanks very much. And see you ... next year
[13:26] <@carols> see you next year. have a great summer :-)
[13:26] <@kblin> !nextinline
[13:26] <+gsocbot> kblin: Next in line is languagetool|dna with notice 'languagetool http://languagetool.wikidot.com/missing-features'
[13:27] == mode/#gsoc [+v languagetool|dna] by kblin
[13:27] <@carols> hi languagetool folks
[13:27] <+languagetool|dna> hi carols
[13:27] == mode/#gsoc [-vv eldy10 Dolibarr|eldy] by kblin
[13:27] <@carols> aw man. again i get to say: we loved your application and your ideas page.
[13:28] <@carols> and you made it to the final round.
[13:28] <+languagetool|dna> thanks :-)
[13:28] <@carols> but we just didn't have space for you this year.
[13:28] <+languagetool|dna> i see. we'll try again next year
[13:28] == vcarbune has changed nick to carbonix
[13:28] <@carols> i'm sorry. i know it's frustrating.
[13:28] <@carols> you did a great job.
[13:28] <@carols> please keep the quality up
[13:28] <@carols> and try again next year
[13:29] <+languagetool|dna> we'll do, thanks
[13:29] <@carols> we made a lot of tough calls and you were one of them.
[13:29] <@carols> thank you.
[13:29] <@carols> have a great summer :-)
[13:29] <@kblin> !nextinline
[13:29] <+languagetool|dna> see you next year hopefully
[13:29] <@carols> indeed
[13:29] <+gsocbot> kblin: Next in line is edcable with notice 'cosm http://mifosforge.jira.com/wiki/display/RES/Google+Summer+of+Code+2012+Ideas'
[13:29] <@carols> hi cosm folks
[13:29] == mode/#gsoc [+v cosm-mifos|edcab] by kblin
[13:30] <+cosm-mifos|edcab> hello carols
[13:30] == mode/#gsoc [-v languagetool|dna] by kblin
[13:30] <@carols> ah, mifos
[13:30] <+cosm-mifos|edcab> http://mifosforge.jira.com/wiki/display/RES/Google+Summer+of+Code+2012+Ideas in case you need it.
[13:30] <@carols> great, thanks.
[13:30] <@carols> just a sec
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[13:31] <@carols> another one. we loved your ideas page, loved your application, and didn't have the space for you this year.
[13:32] <+cosm-mifos|edcab> that is good to hear :) Could we have used a little more meat behind some of our ideas. It was a bit skeletal...
[13:32] <@carols> well, yeah. but overall we quite liked it.
[13:32] <@carols> it can always be more in depth, of course :-)
[13:32] <@carols> but this was another numbers issue.
[13:32] <+cosm-mifos|edcab> Okay and on the app - not too verbose? it ended up being a bit longer than past years´ applications
[13:33] <@carols> verbose on the app is good.
[13:33] <@carols> you have clearly thought about the issues.
[13:33] <@carols> so i appreciate that.
[13:33] <@carols> we had so many hard calls this year.
[13:33] <+cosm-mifos|edcab> good, good. well thanks for the feedback and we will definitely apply again next year.
[13:33] <@carols> yes, please do.
[13:33] <+cosm-mifos|edcab> we are going to try to mentor some students on our own so wishing good luck with that
[13:33] <@carols> thanks again for your participation in the past.
[13:33] <+cosm-mifos|edcab> one question code-in . is that taking place?
[13:33] <@carols> oh yes, good luck!
[13:33] <@carols> i'm not sure.
[13:33] <+cosm-mifos|edcab> and is it only open to SOC participants again?
[13:33] <+cosm-mifos|edcab> okay - thanks again for your time and feedback.
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[13:34] <@carols> i don't run that program. you'll want to speak to stephanie about that.
[13:34] <+cosm-mifos|edcab> perfect. our community will be happy to hear quality of our app was good. take care.
[13:34] <@carols> thanks again for coming.
[13:34] <@carols> you too.
[13:34] <@kblin> !nextinline
[13:34] <+gsocbot> kblin: Next in line is samth with notice 'Racket https://github.com/plt/racket/wiki/SoC-Ideas-2012'
[13:34] <@carols> hi racket folks
[13:34] == mode/#gsoc [+vv racket|asumu racket|samth] by kblin
[13:34] <+racket|asumu> Hello
[13:34] <+racket|samth> hi carols
[13:34] == mode/#gsoc [-v cosm-mifos|edcab] by kblin
[13:35] <@carols> so the ideas page is certainly lengthy enough for your org, but i would have liked to see more "meat" for each of the ideas.
[13:36] <@carols> so quantity is fine, but quality could use a little improvement.
[13:36] <+racket|asumu> I see, so more technical details?
[13:36] <+racket|samth> carols: or organizational details?
[13:36] <@carols> technical details
[13:36] <@carols> i think organizational details are fine here.
[13:37] <+racket|asumu> Okay, thanks. Did the application form itself have enough details?
[13:37] <@carols> yeah, i think so. since you have participated in the past we trust that you can handle disappearing students and mentors, which you seemed to address in the app.
[13:38] <+racket|samth> carols: we haven't actually participated in the past
[13:38] <@carols> oh? it says you did in 2006.
[13:38] <@carols> i wasn't here, so i don't know for sure.
[13:38] <+racket|samth> carols: we applied but were rejected in 2006
[13:38] <@carols> oh, i see.
[13:38] <@carols> well, regardless.
[13:39] <@carols> the ideas page was a B+ and we were making cuts to A+ ideas pages for orgs this year.
[13:39] <+racket|samth> do you have any examples of organizations with A+ ideas pages that you recommend we look at?
[13:39] <@carols> sure, just a sec.
[13:39] <@carols> http://community.kde.org/GSoC/2011/Ideas
[13:40] <@carols> that's one.
[13:40] <@carols> we list that one in the FAQs.
[13:40] <+racket|samth> ok, thanks
[13:40] <@carols> or you can look at the ideas pages for any of the orgs that were accepted this year.
[13:40] <+racket|samth> any other feedback?
[13:40] <@carols> please try again next year?
[13:40] <+racket|samth> ok
[13:40] <@carols> we did really like your app, it was just another tough call.
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[13:40] <+racket|asumu> Okay, thanks. We'll apply again next year. :)
[13:40] <+racket|samth> it would have been very helpful for us to know about this feedback session in the rejection email
[13:41] <@carols> thank you :-0
[13:41] <@carols> :-)
[13:41] <+racket|samth> i only learned about it from reading blog posts by other rejected orgs
[13:41] <@carols> yep, something for us to improve for next year
[13:41] <@carols> there's always something we can be doing better.
[13:41] <@carols> have a great summer!
[13:41] <+racket|samth> you might also encourage orgs to subscribe to the gsoc list
[13:41] <@kblin> !nextinline
[13:41] <+gsocbot> kblin: Next in line is ffmpeg|durandal with notice 'ffmpeg'
[13:42] <@kblin> !nextinline
[13:42] <+gsocbot> kblin: Next in line is opentreemap|deb with notice 'opentreemap https://github.com/azavea/OpenTreeMap/wiki/Google-Summer-of-Code-Ideas'
[13:42] == mode/#gsoc [+v opentreemap|deb] by kblin
[13:42] <+opentreemap|deb> hello
[13:42] <@carols> hi opentreemap folks
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[13:42] == mode/#gsoc [-vv racket|samth asumu] by kblin
[13:42] == racket|samth has changed nick to samth
[13:42] <+opentreemap|deb> hi
[13:42] <@carols> just a sec, let me look at your app.
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[13:44] <@carols> so it looks like your ideas page has a nice number of ideas, but overall each one could use more depth and information.
[13:44] <+opentreemap|deb> okay - we were concerned it was too few ideas
[13:44] <+opentreemap|deb> but perhaps a good number but we should have expounded on them?
[13:44] <@carols> quantity is fine on this, but yes, i would like more information for the students on each one.
[13:44] <@carols> for example the "generic skin" idea.
[13:45] <@carols> needs a lot more info for the students to get a flavor of what you want them to do there.
[13:45] <+opentreemap|deb> so more detail on the task rather than on the specific mentor or knowledge requirements, etc
[13:45] <@carols> well, i want you to keep the mentor and knowledge required too :-)
[13:45] <@carols> and i want more info on each idea.
[13:45] <@carols> all of the above :-)
[13:45] <+opentreemap|deb> of course! :)
[13:46] <+opentreemap|deb> anything else we should change? this is our first time submitting so we appreciate any feedback
[13:46] <@carols> just keep in mind this is the first way a student will interact with your community and they need as much info about the projects as possible.
[13:46] <@carols> the application overall looks good.
[13:46] <@carols> sounds like you've thought through the scenarios for disappearing students and mentors, so that's good.
[13:47] <@carols> just spend some more time on your ideas page next year and try again :-)
[13:47] <+opentreemap|deb> one last question
[13:47] <@carols> sure
[13:47] <+opentreemap|deb> as a small, relatively new project, should we wait a bit to reapply or do those things not factor in as much?
[13:48] <@carols> they don't factor in as much. we actually try very hard to make sure we get small, new projects in every year. which is actually one of the painful parts of the process for us because it means some of our returning orgs get rejected.
[13:48] <@carols> we want new orgs :-)
[13:48] <@carols> but we also want a really quality application.
[13:48] <+opentreemap|deb> makes sense
[13:48] <@carols> so try again next year, for sure.
[13:48] <+opentreemap|deb> great - thank you for the feedback
[13:48] <@carols> you're welcome
[13:48] <@carols> have a great summer
[13:48] <@kblin> !nextinline
[13:48] <+gsocbot> kblin: Next in line is AmineKhaldi with notice 'reactos http://reactos.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2012_Ideas'
[13:49] == mode/#gsoc [+v ReactOS|Amine] by kblin
[13:49] <@carols> hi reactos folks
[13:49] <+ReactOS|Amine> hey
[13:49] == mode/#gsoc [-v opentreemap|deb] by kblin
[13:49] == npch has changed nick to ogsadai|npch
[13:50] <@carols> this was another difficult decision.
[13:50] == abragin has changed nick to ReactOS|abragin
[13:50] <@carols> we really liked your ideas page and your application.
[13:50] <@carols> and we really appreciate your participation in the past.
[13:50] <+ReactOS|Amine> we did our best to build up on last year's participation
[13:51] <@carols> we just needed to make some room for some new orgs this year. it's not really a more satisfying answer than that :-(
[13:51] <+ReactOS|Amine> it was great, helped the project a lot, and the recent release reflected that clearly
[13:51] <@carols> i'm glad to hear that.
[13:51] <+ReactOS|Amine> yeah, we understand
[13:51] <@carols> i think you did a great job with your application.
[13:51] <+ReactOS|Amine> hopefully next year we'll get lucky
[13:51] <@carols> please do try again next year.
[13:51] <@carols> we appreciated having you before.
[13:52] <+ReactOS|Amine> admittedly, I had high hopes for this year
[13:52] <@carols> i know it must be difficult, and unfortunately i don't have much more feedback to offer than we made a hard decision
[13:52] <+ReactOS|Amine> but I understand how things work
[13:53] <+ReactOS|Amine> thank you for having us on gsoc, and I'm looking forward to next year application
[13:53] <@carols> yes, this is just kind of gsoc goes sometimes.
[13:53] <@carols> of course. thank you.
[13:53] <+ReactOS|Amine> ;)
[13:53] <@carols> have a good summer :-)
[13:53] <@kblin> !nextinline
[13:53] <+gsocbot> kblin: Next in line is ReactOS|Amine with notice 'reactos http://reactos.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2012_Ideas'
[13:53] <@kblin> !nextinline
[13:53] <+gsocbot> kblin: Next in line is mikhas with notice 'maliit https://wiki.maliit.org/Ideas'
[13:53] == ReactOS|abragin has changed nick to abragin
[13:53] <@carols> hi maliit folks
[13:53] == mode/#gsoc [+v maliit|mikhas] by kblin
[13:53] == mode/#gsoc [-v ReactOS|Amine] by kblin
[13:54] <+maliit|mikhas> hi
[13:54] <@carols> hi
[13:54] <@carols> so overall, it looks like your ideas page was good but could have some more information for some of the ideas.
[13:55] <@carols> i definitely appreciate the was it's organized.
[13:55] <+maliit|mikhas> understood
[13:55] <@carols> way, not was
[13:55] <+maliit|mikhas> well, it is our organic ideas page
[13:55] <@carols> but the students could use more info for each idea.
[13:55] <+maliit|mikhas> it feels actually wrong to have GSoC-only ideas page
[13:55] <+maliit|mikhas> maybe
[13:55] <@carols> sure, that's actually fine to have it not just be a gsoc ideas page.
[13:55] <@carols> but we'd like to see more info on each idea.
[13:56] <@carols> some are great, actually
[13:56] <@carols> but others are a little sparse.
[13:56] <+maliit|mikhas> ok
[13:56] <@carols> your application as a whole looks good.
[13:57] <+maliit|mikhas> ok
[13:57] <@carols> this decision was mostly based on the ideas page.
[13:57] <+maliit|mikhas> "mostly"?
[13:57] <+maliit|mikhas> what other factors contributed?
[13:57] <@carols> as i think i said to someone before, this was a B+ ideas page in a year where A+ orgs were getting rejected.
[13:57] <@carols> yeah, as i said, we need more info for each idea. some were good but some weren't.
[13:58] <+maliit|mikhas> will you follow up on how A+ orgs got rejected over others? was it by random?
[13:58] <@carols> yep, just numbers at that point.
[13:58] <+maliit|mikhas> ok
[13:58] <+maliit|mikhas> thanks
[13:58] <@carols> you're welcome.
[13:58] <@carols> please do try again next year.
[13:59] <@carols> and have a nice summer :-)
[13:59] <@kblin> !nextinline
[13:59] <+gsocbot> kblin: Next in line is prism with notice 'PRISM Model Checker http://www.prismmodelchecker.org/gsoc/'
[13:59] == mode/#gsoc [+v prism_] by kblin
[13:59] <+prism_> Hi carols, thanks for running GSoC !!
[13:59] == mode/#gsoc [-v maliit|mikhas] by kblin
[13:59] <@carols> hi prism folks
[13:59] <@carols> you're welcome :-)
[13:59] == feroze has changed nick to feroze_
[14:00] <@carols> alright, so on this ideas page i'd like a few more things.
[14:00] == maliit|mikhas has changed nick to mikhas
[14:00] <+prism_> More projects or more description for each of them ?
[14:00] <@carols> 1) possible mentors. 2) difficulty level for each one. 3) languages and/or skills needed for the idea and 4) more information overall on each one.
[14:00] <+prism_> ok
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[14:00] <@carols> i like the links within the ideas to get more information.
[14:00] <@carols> keep that.
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[14:00] <@carols> and flesh out each one a lot more.
[14:01] <+prism_> How did we answered questions ?
[14:01] <@carols> let me look at the app as well.
[14:01] <@carols> just a sec
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[14:02] <@carols> i actually would have liked some more thought in response to the question about getting and keeping the students involved in the community
[14:02] <@carols> it's important to us that you think of gsoc as a venue through which to get long-term contributors, so it's not just about how to get them to interact with you, but how to stay involved.
[14:03] <+prism_> ok, we will keep that in mind for next year
[14:03] <@carols> the question is about "before, during and after" the program, and it's important to address all three.
[14:03] <@carols> your other answers look good.
[14:03] <@carols> i hope that helps.
[14:03] <+prism_> What about vouching did it help in our case ?
[14:03] <@carols> yes, it certainly added weight. but overall the ideas page was the problem.
[14:04] <@carols> i do hope you'll try again next year!
[14:04] <+prism_> thats what I was thinking, last question: Do academic/research projects have strictly less chance to get in ?
[14:04] <@carols> nope. everyone has equal chances every year.
[14:05] <@carols> we assess every app individually every year.
[14:05] <+prism_> Good :) Thanks for considering us for GSoC
[14:05] <@carols> of course. thanks for applying!
[14:05] <@carols> hope you'll try again next year
[14:05] <+prism_> (from 4+ years participant) ;)
[14:05] <@carols> awesome :-)
[14:05] <@carols> have a good summer
[14:06] <@kblin> !nextinline
[14:06] <+gsocbot> kblin: Next in line is ogsadai|Pradeeba with notice 'ogsadai http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/ogsa-dai/wiki/GoogleSummerOfCode'
[14:06] <@carols> hi ogsadai folks
[14:06] == mode/#gsoc [+vvvv ogsadai|npch ogsadai|marioant ogsadai|charaka ogsadai|Pradeeba] by kblin
[14:06] <+ogsadai|Pradeeba> hi carols
[14:06] <+ogsadai|npch> hi carols :)
[14:06] == mode/#gsoc [-v prism_] by kblin
[14:06] <@carols> ogsadai|Pradeeba: what name is your application under?
[14:06] <+ogsadai|marioant> hi carols
[14:06] <+ogsadai|Pradeeba> ogsadai
[14:06] <@carols> ah, ogsa-dai
[14:06] <@carols> there's a dash i missed :-)
[14:07] <+ogsadai|npch> :)
[14:07] <+ogsadai|Pradeeba>  :)
[14:07] <@carols> just a sec
[14:07] <+ogsadai|Pradeeba> sure
[14:07] <@carols> so the application looks great.
[14:07] <+ogsadai|Pradeeba> thanks
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[14:07] <@carols> but i would have taken some more time to have a wider variety and more ideas overall on your ideas page.
[14:08] <+ogsadai|npch> okay
[14:08] <@carols> i like the organization of the page
[14:08] <@carols> definitely keep that
[14:08] <+ogsadai|Pradeeba> carols, How was our application scored?
[14:08] <@carols> scored?
[14:08] <+ogsadai|Pradeeba> I noticed, A+s and B+s
[14:08] <+ogsadai|Pradeeba> :)
[14:08] <@carols> oh, i see
[14:08] <@carols> i was kind of using that as a figure of speech :-)
[14:08] <+ogsadai|Pradeeba> oh.. :)
[14:09] <@carols> we didn't actually give everyone a grade, sorry if i gave you that impression
[14:09] <@carols> i was just using it as an analogy
[14:09] <+ogsadai|Pradeeba> carols, thanks for the clarification.
[14:09] <+ogsadai|npch> carols - do you think the number of mentors in our pool was about right for the size of our community?
[14:09] <@carols> primarily, for next year i would focus on more ideas and more variety of ideas.
[14:09] <@carols> let me check on the mentors.
[14:09] <@carols> just a sec
[14:09] <@carols> yeah, i think that's a fair number of mentors.
[14:10] <+ogsadai|npch> it was 7 mentors, trying to ensure we had two good mentors for each idea
[14:10] <+ogsadai|npch> ok
[14:10] <@carols> you should have more ideas and assume they're not all going to become full projects for the summer.
[14:10] <@carols> and the mentors can take the ones that are assigned to students.
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[14:10] <+ogsadai|npch> thanks
[14:10] <@carols> i am mostly aiming at giving the students a large range of possible projects within each org.
[14:11] <+ogsadai|Pradeeba> carols, thanks. Will focus on that next year more. Is there anything else to add or improve in the application or the ideas page?
[14:11] <@carols> so please do try again next year.
[14:11] <@carols> let me take a second look at the app
[14:12] <@carols> actually, i do really think the rest of your app looks great.
[14:12] <@carols> you've obviously considered the issues quite well.
[14:12] <+ogsadai|charaka> any weakness in the app?
[14:12] <+ogsadai|Pradeeba> thanks. nice to hear that.
[14:12] <@carols> no, it was really the ideas page primarily.
[14:12] <@carols> and you were close.
[14:12] <@carols> we just made a lot of tough decisions, and you weren't close enough :-/
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[14:13] <+ogsadai|npch> okay, thanks for the feedback, and thanks for running GSoC :) we'll try again next year!
[14:13] == vcarbune has changed nick to carbonix
[14:13] <+ogsadai|Pradeeba> thanks a lot for the feedbacks too. :)
[14:13] <@carols> you're welcome. thanks for applying!
[14:13] <@carols> have a great summer!
[14:13] <@kblin> !nextinline
[14:13] <+gsocbot> kblin: Next in line is Andrew__ with notice 'boost https://svn.boost.org/trac/boost/wiki/SoC2012'
[14:13] == mode/#gsoc [+v boost_] by kblin
[14:13] <@carols> hi boost folks
[14:13] <@kblin> I take that's the right person
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[14:14] == mode/#gsoc [-vvv ogsadai|npch ogsadai|charaka ogsadai|Pradeeba] by kblin
[14:14] <@carols> boost_: are you the person to speak to?
[14:15] <@mlankhorst> 19:15 [freenode] -!-  idle     : 0 days 1 hours 28 mins 32 secs [signon: Fri Mar 23 17:38:00 2012]
[14:15] <@carols> hm.
[14:15] <@carols> anyone from boost want to PM kblin and ask for voice?
[14:15] <@carols> i can wait a minute.
[14:16] * carols sips some tea
[14:16] <@carols> kblin: anyone yet?
[14:16] <@kblin> nope, I guess we'll move on
[14:16] <@carols> ok, if anyone from boost shows up please pm kblin :-)
[14:16] <@kblin> there's another queue slot for boost, so they'll have another chance
[14:16] <@carols> moving on.
[14:16] <@kblin> !nextinline
[14:17] <+gsocbot> kblin: Next in line is plan9|anth with notice 'plan9 http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/gsoc-2012-ideas/index.html'
[14:17] <@carols> hi plan9 folks
[14:17] == mode/#gsoc [+v plan9|anth] by kblin
[14:17] <+plan9|anth> Howdy!
[14:17] == mode/#gsoc [-v boost_] by kblin
[14:17] <@carols> hi plan9|anth. this was another one of those really tough decisions. :-(
[14:18] <@carols> your application and your ideas page are great, as always.
[14:18] <+plan9|anth> Good to hear. :-)
[14:18] <@carols> we were just making some space for new organizations this year.
[14:18] <+plan9|anth> Understood; it happens. Nice number of new orgs this year.
[14:18] <@carols> yes, 41.
[14:18] <@carols> we're happy about it
[14:18] <+plan9|anth> Anything in particular we could work on improving for next time?
[14:18] <@carols> but unhappy that i means rejecting some older orgs.
[14:19] <@carols> honestly, not that i can see. things look great from what i'm looking at.
[14:19] <@carols> this was really a decision about making some space.
[14:19] <@carols> i'm sorry about that.
[14:19] <@carols> i hope you guys will apply again next year.
[14:19] <@carols> we really appreciate your past participation.
[14:19] <+plan9|anth> that seems quite likely. :-)
[14:20] <@carols> awesome :-)
[14:20] <+plan9|anth> we appreciate the opportunity to participate. y'all do a very nice job. good luck.
[14:20] <+plan9|anth> (aside: you should've added one more new org. because, y'know: 42.)
[14:20] <@carols> i'll keep that in mind :-)
[14:20] <@carols> the answer to everything.
[14:20] <@carols> hope you have a great summer.
[14:20] <+plan9|anth> thanks. you too.
[14:20] <@kblin> !nextinline
[14:20] <+gsocbot> kblin: Next in line is plone|kevin7kal with notice 'plone http://plone.org/events/summer-of-code/2012/'
[14:20] <@carols> thanks :-)
[14:20] == mode/#gsoc [+v plone|kevin7kal] by kblin
[14:20] == mode/#gsoc [-v plan9|anth] by kblin
[14:21] <@kblin> oh, sorry
[14:21] <@carols> we're trying to squeeze boost in, yes?
[14:21] <@kblin> I promised to let the boot person first
[14:21] == mode/#gsoc [+v boost_] by kblin
[14:21] <+boost_> hi
[14:21] <@carols> hi there boost_
[14:21] <@kblin> sorry plone|kevin7kal
[14:21] <@carols> we'll get to plane next.
[14:21] <@carols> plone.
[14:21] == mode/#gsoc [-v plone|kevin7kal] by kblin
[14:21] <@carols> long morning.
[14:22] <@carols> anyway, hi boost_
[14:22] <+boost_> hello
[14:22] <@carols> so we unfortunately were a little disappointed with your ideas page this year.
[14:22] <+boost_> yup. me too
[14:22] <@carols> some of the ideas were pretty sparse
[14:22] <@carols> i really wants to see skills required, possible mentors, etc.
[14:22] <@carols> i'm sure you know the drill.
[14:22] <+boost_> they tend to be. we like to have the students flesh them out on the list.
[14:22] <@carols> i understand.
[14:22] <+boost_> I do.
[14:23] <@carols> unfortunately in tandem with all the difficult decisions this year, this was kind of a deal breaker for us.
[14:23] <+boost_> understandable.
[14:23] <@carols> i really appreciate your participation in the past.
[14:23] <+boost_> it can be hard for our community to pin down specific mentors for suggested projects at the time of proposals.
[14:23] <@carols> and i hope you'll flesh out the ideas page and try again next year.
[14:24] <@carols> yeah, that's ok. really, more than one sentence about some of these ideas would have helped. :-/
[14:24] <+boost_> how important are potential mentors to the ideas page? in your evaluation, that is.
[14:24] <@carols> potential mentors? not nearly as important as, say, language, and a detailed description of difficulty level and what the idea is.
[14:24] <@carols> but we do take it into account.
[14:24] <+boost_> ok
[14:24] <+boost_> thx
[14:25] <@carols> you're welcome.
[14:25] <@carols> i hope you'll apply again next year
[14:25] <@carols> it was a year of tough calls.
[14:25] <+boost_> hopefully, i'll be more successful at getting people to develop project ideas.
[14:25] <@carols> good luck. i know it can be like herding cats.
[14:25] <+boost_> that's exactly how i've described it offline :)
[14:25] <@carols> i hear ya :-)
[14:26] <@carols> hope you have a great summer
[14:26] == mode/#gsoc [+vv plone|kevin7kal plone|mwilkes] by kblin
[14:26] <+boost_> you too.
[14:26] <@carols> cheers
[14:26] <@kblin> ok, really plone this time
[14:26] <@carols> hi plone folks
[14:26] == mode/#gsoc [-v boost_] by kblin
[14:26] <+plone|mwilkes> carols: Hey, so, ironically as a CMS, turns out we messed up the workflow settings on our ideas list.  When we put the url into the queue bot we noticed it wasn't visible to the public, so wasn't available when you looked at the applications.  Our bad.
[14:26] == ajs has changed nick to LimeSurvey|ajs
[14:26] <@carols> plone|mwilkes: yep, and we were already making a lot of tough calls this year. and not having access to your ideas page, well...
[14:26] <+plone|mwilkes> carols: And, we know the drill, no ideas list, no entrance.  That said, is there anything else that would have hindered us that we can improve on next year?
[14:27] <@carols> let me look at your app just a sec.
[14:27] <+plone|mwilkes> thanks
[14:27] <@carols> i'm actually quite happy with your application as a whole.
[14:27] == unknownbliss1 has changed nick to unknownbliss
[14:27] <@carols> so keep that :-)
[14:27] <@carols> but make sure i can access your ideas page next year :-)
[14:28] <+plone|mwilkes> carols: :) I think we've settled into a pattern for our application questions
[14:28] <+plone|kevin7kal> Thanks ... distracted by work
[14:28] <+plone|mwilkes> How about the ideas page? It's visible now
[14:28] <@carols> great. yeah, everything else looks good to me.
[14:28] <@carols> let me take a quick look
[14:28] <+plone|mwilkes> http://plone.org/events/summer-of-code/2012/ideas-list
[14:29] <+plone|mwilkes> I'd have liked to add more new ideas, the vast majority were ones from last year we didn't get a good application for
[14:29] <@carols> oh, this is a great ideas list!
[14:29] <@carols> i would have been much more likely to accept you had i seen this two weeks ago :-)
[14:29] <@carols> well organized, lots of info.
[14:29] <@carols> but if i can't get to it and students can't get to it, no go.
[14:29] <+plone|mwilkes> carols: Shush, don't tell us that.  We're more than happy to be left out for a year to make room for our fellow orgs, us two screwing up is more sad ;)
[14:30] <+plone|kevin7kal> Agreed with mwilkes :-)
[14:30] <@carols> I'm just trying to be honest with you :-)
[14:30] <@carols> please do apply again next year
[14:30] <+plone|mwilkes> carols: Okay, so 'learn how to use your own software'
[14:30] <@carols> yep.
[14:30] <+plone|mwilkes> carols: You know we will!
[14:30] <@carols> that's the message.
[14:30] <@carols> thanks for your participation in the past
[14:31] <@carols> we like you guys :-)
[14:31] <+plone|mwilkes> we're looking forward to seeing what comes out of the other projects this summer
[14:31] == beastd|2 has changed nick to beastd
[14:31] <@carols> good luck! please let me know how it goes.
[14:31] <+plone|kevin7kal> We very much appreciate the program and the work that you and others put in
[14:31] <@carols> of course.
[14:31] <@carols> thank you.
[14:32] <@carols> have a great summer regardless :-)
[14:32] <@kblin> !nextinline
[14:32] <+gsocbot> kblin: Next in line is tcl_aku with notice 'tcl http://wiki.tcl.tk/28789'
[14:32] <@carols> hi tcl folks
[14:32] == mode/#gsoc [+v tcl_aku] by kblin
[14:32] <+tcl_aku> hi
[14:32] == mode/#gsoc [-vv plone|kevin7kal plone|mwilkes] by kblin
[14:32] <+tcl_aku> hi
[14:32] == plone|kevin7kal has changed nick to kevin7kal
[14:32] == plone|mwilkes has changed nick to MatthewWilkes
[14:32] <@mlankhorst> evening
[14:33] <@carols> so looks like your ideas page has well fleshed-out ideas, but maybe a little light on quantity of ideas.
[14:33] <@carols> but overall, it's ok.
[14:33] <+tcl_aku> Yeah, I suspected
[14:33] <@carols> reading over the feedback notes, this looks like another bought call for new orgs.
[14:33] <+tcl_aku> Should have rolled more ideas from last years over
[14:33] <@carols> tough
[14:33] <@carols> yeah, i would have liked that.
[14:33] <+tcl_aku> Will work on that next year
[14:33] <@carols> unfortunately a lot of orgs that would have otherwise been fine didn't make the cut simply so we would have space for new ones.
[14:34] <+tcl_aku> What about the application itself?
[14:34] <@carols> just a sec.
[14:35] <@carols> application looks good. you've participated in the past, so we we ok with your answers to the questions.
[14:35] <+tcl_aku> ok.
[14:35] <@carols> this was another your ideas page was on a razor's edge and we had to make difficult decisions.
[14:35] <+tcl_aku> For others, which do not see the need for backup mentors ...
[14:35] <+tcl_aku> We had one project last year wehere the mentor had a death in the family, so had to deal with that
[14:35] <+tcl_aku> The backupmentor took over for the time.
[14:35] <@carols> yeah, we're fine with that.
[14:36] <@carols> this was a tough call which got turned by a not-quite-amazing ideas page.
[14:36] <+tcl_aku> I just wanted to say that in general, for others
[14:36] <@carols> thank you :-)
[14:36] <+tcl_aku> Yeah. Well, thanks for the consideration
[14:36] <@carols> you're welcome.
[14:36] <@carols> i hope you'll try again next year.
[14:36] <+tcl_aku> Have a good sumer then, and good luck
[14:36] <+tcl_aku> Yes, we will
[14:36] <@carols> thank you
[14:36] <@kblin> !nextinline
[14:36] <+gsocbot> kblin: Next in line is pjcj with notice 'The Perl Foundation http://wiki.enlightenedperl.org/gsoc2012/ideas'
[14:37] <@carols> same to you
[14:37] <@carols> hi perl folks
[14:37] == mode/#gsoc [+vv TPF|rafl TPF|pjcj] by kblin
[14:37] <+TPF|pjcj> hello carols
[14:37] <+TPF|rafl> hello
[14:37] == mode/#gsoc [-v tcl_aku] by kblin
[14:37] <@mlankhorst> if she's silent, she's looking up the application and related things :)
[14:37] <@carols> hey there.
[14:37] * TPF|rafl isn't in a hurry :)
[14:38] <@carols> so many of these this year! you're another org with a great ideas page and a great application.
[14:38] <@carols> we really did just have to reject some of our returning orgs to make space for new ones.
[14:38] <@carols> this was the case for you too.
[14:38] <+TPF|rafl> really? no criticism of our ideas page? that's not quite what i've been expecting
[14:39] <+TPF|rafl> fair enough, though :)
[14:39] <@carols> i think a few of them could be more fleshed out, but i like that there's a wide variety.
[14:39] <+TPF|rafl> so, this year we had a couple of smaller perl projects approach us, asking whether or not they should apply for gsoc individually
[14:39] <@carols> alright...
[14:39] <+TPF|rafl> we, regrettably, told them to not do that, as we assumed chances of them getting a slot or two might be higher under an umbrella
[14:40] <+TPF|rafl> would you recommend we'd stop doing that for next year?
[14:40] <+TPF|rafl> i don't want you guys to be flooded with even more org applications
[14:40] <+TPF|rafl> but also i feel rather bad for the small projects i basically robbed of their chance to get in this time around
[14:41] <@carols> well, maybe they can find another org to take them under their wing this summer.
[14:41] <@carols> or, if they don't, they can try again on their own next year
[14:41] <@carols> and you should try again as well.
[14:41] <+TPF|rafl> we're working on that
[14:41] <@carols> every year some decisions are tough, this was one of them.
[14:42] <+TPF|rafl> putting some of our prospective students in touch with other related orgs, that is
[14:42] <@carols> great, thank you for that.
[14:42] <+TPF|rafl> and also we're currently planning to run our own summer program for students
[14:42] <@carols> we have more orgs participating this year than ever before and it still wasn't enough space for all the quality applications we got.
[14:42] <@carols> oh awesome! glad to hear it.
[14:42] <+TPF|rafl> is the latter something google and the gsoc organisers encourage, or would you rather not see something that could be construed as "competition" for gsoc?
[14:43] <@carols> no, it's not competition to run your own summer of code-like program.
[14:43] <@carols> we encourage it.
[14:43] <@carols> it's an open source model :-)
[14:43] <+TPF|rafl> duly noted - thank you :)
[14:43] <@carols> use it and modify it however you like.
[14:43] <+TPF|pjcj> thanks for the feedback
[14:43] <@carols> you're welcome. again, i hope you'll apply again next year.
[14:43] <+TPF|rafl> we will. thanks.
[14:43] <@carols> thanks for your participation in the past!
[14:44] <@carols> have a nice summer :-)
[14:44] <@kblin> !nextinline
[14:44] <+gsocbot> kblin: Next in line is X_Org|tstellar with notice 'X_Org http://wiki.x.org/wiki/SummerOfCodeIdeas'
[14:44] == mode/#gsoc [+vvv X_Org|tstellar_ X_Org|dberkholz| X_Org|tstellar] by kblin
[14:44] == unknownbliss1 has changed nick to UKB|away
[14:44] == TPF|rafl has changed nick to rafl
[14:44] <@carols> hi x.org folks
[14:44] == mode/#gsoc [-vv rafl TPF|pjcj] by kblin
[14:44] <+X_Org|tstellar_> hi carols
[14:45] == mode/#gsoc [+v dberkholz] by kblin
[14:45] == TPF|pjcj has changed nick to pjcj
[14:45] <+dberkholz> hi
[14:45] <@carols> so looking over your ideas page, it looks like we wanted it a bit more fleshed out than it was.
[14:46] <+dberkholz> having weird issues with my other nick
[14:46] <@carols> i would have liked more ideas overall.
[14:46] <@carols> as well.
[14:46] <@carols> difficulty level and skills/languages required, too.
[14:47] <@carols> i know you have participated in the past and some of this is old hat, but we were making tough calls and your org was another one on a razor's edge that we had to cut.
[14:47] <+dberkholz> sure
[14:48] <@carols> as i'm sure you've seen from this meeting, we had a lot of returning orgs that didn't make it this year.
[14:48] <@carols> let me look at your application as well again to see if there's anything else.
[14:49] <@carols> rest of the application looks pretty strong to me.
[14:49] <@carols> this one really hinged on the ideas page and making space for new orgs
[14:50] <@carols> hope that helps.
[14:50] <@carols> i would encourage you to try again next year, of course :-)
[14:50] <+X_Org|tstellar_> It does, thanks for the feedback.
[14:50] <@carols> and we appreciate all your participation in the past, of course.
[14:51] <@carols> hope you have a great summer :-)
[14:51] <@kblin> !nextinline
[14:51] <+gsocbot> kblin: Next in line is k9|cketti with notice 'k9 https://github.com/k9mail/k-9/wiki/GSoC-Project-Ideas'
[14:51] <@mlankhorst> sad to see xorg not participating :(
[14:51] <+dberkholz> you too, thanks
[14:51] == mode/#gsoc [+vv k9|achen k9|cketti] by kblin
[14:51] <+k9|cketti> hi
[14:51] <@carols> hi k9 folks
[14:51] == mode/#gsoc [-vvv dberkholz X_Org|tstellar_ X_Org|dberkholz|] by kblin
[14:51] <+k9|cketti> org id is 'k9mail'
[14:51] <@carols> just a sec as i look at your app
[14:52] <@carols> so i like the quantity of ideas on your ideas page, but overall i think some of these could be more fleshed out.
[14:53] <@carols> we'd really like a student who has no experience with your community to still have a good idea of what each project idea on here looks like
[14:53] <@carols> some of them are ok, others could use a little work.
[14:54] <@carols> i would also have liked a more in depth answer about keeping the students involved in the community before, during and after the program
[14:54] <@carols> i realize you have a vibrant community, but more in depth thought on that would have helped :-)
[14:54] <@carols> the rest of the app looks good to me.
[14:54] <@carols> so again, this was a tough call in a year of tough calls.
[14:55] <@carols> please do flesh out your ideas page and try again next year.
[14:55] <+k9|cketti> ok, thanks for the feedback. we'll definitely take that into account for next year
[14:55] <@carols> thank you for your participation last year
[14:55] <@carols> it was great having you
[14:55] <+k9|achen> thanks
[14:55] <@carols> and have a great summer :-)
[14:55] <@kblin> !nextinline
[14:55] <+gsocbot> kblin: Next in line is Talad with notice 'AtomicBlue http://www.atomicblue.org/google_soc_2012.htm'
[14:56] == mode/#gsoc [+v AB|Talad] by kblin
[14:56] * AB|Talad waves
[14:56] <+AB|Talad> Hi
[14:56] == mode/#gsoc [-vv k9|cketti k9|achen] by kblin
[14:56] <@carols> hi atomicblue folks
[14:56] <@carols> just a sec
[14:57] <@carols> looks like the ideas on your ideas page needed more information like potential mentors, difficulty level, and skills required.
[14:57] == k9|cketti has changed nick to cketti
[14:57] <@carols> information level overall is ok, actually. just needs more organization with all those other things
[14:57] <+AB|Talad> it's linked in the wiki
[14:57] <+AB|Talad> every idea has a link to the wiki, where you can see the skills required and difficulty level
[14:58] <+AB|Talad> We tried for 3 years to get into GSoC and finally managed to get in last year, has been a great experience for us!
[14:58] <+AB|Talad> Awesome program and event in Mountainview, we learned a lot. A second year would have been important for us, as we are a small org.
[14:58] <@carols> i understand.
[14:58] <@carols> this was also a matter of turning away a lot of orgs we already had a relationship with this year.
[14:59] <@carols> not an easy choice.
[14:59] == agliodbs_ has changed nick to agliodbs
[14:59] <@carols> i've looked at your app, and it looks good to me. it is clear you learned a lot from your participation last year.
[15:00] <+AB|Talad> yes, we also did our best to participate to the events, and help the community
[15:00] <@carols> i would suggest you consolidate the ideas page and the wiki down so there's one canonical resource for the students.
[15:00] <+AB|Talad> ok
[15:00] <@carols> and please do try again next year :-)
[15:00] <+AB|Talad> we will surely re-apply
[15:00] <@carols> awesome.
[15:00] <@carols> thank you.
[15:00] <+AB|Talad> thanks
[15:00] <@carols> you'r welcome.
[15:01] <@carols> have a great summer
[15:01] <@kblin> !nextinline
[15:01] <+gsocbot> kblin: Next in line is LimeSurvey|c_sch with notice 'LimeSurvey http://docs.limesurvey.org/Project+Ideas+for+GSoC+2012'
[15:01] <@carols> hi LimeSurvey folks
[15:01] == mode/#gsoc [+vvvv LimeSurvey|TMSWh LimeSurvey|ajs LimeSurvey|c_sch LimeSurvey|magic] by kblin
[15:01] <+LimeSurvey|c_sch> hi Carol :)
[15:02] <@carols> looks like your ideas page overall is pretty extensive. there's a couple things on here that could use some more work, but overall it's pretty strong.
[15:02] <@carols> LimeSurvey|c_sch: pm?
[15:02] <+LimeSurvey|c_sch> carols: sure
[15:03] == s_a_m has changed nick to comunes|s_a_m
[15:07] <@carols> alright kblin. our next participant?
[15:07] <@kblin> !nextinline
[15:07] <+gsocbot> kblin: Next in line is s_a_m with notice 'comunes https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YD86A1ZQgyIJC7S7C0UAkIHt6D7Jn_dRWx7H3g3w0Fw/edit'
[15:07] == mode/#gsoc [+v comunes|s_a_m] by kblin
[15:07] <@carols> hi comunes folks
[15:07] <+comunes|s_a_m> hi there
[15:07] == mode/#gsoc [-vvvv LimeSurvey|TMSWh LimeSurvey|ajs LimeSurvey|c_sch LimeSurvey|magic] by kblin
[15:07] <@carols> just a sec while i look at your app :-)
[15:07] <+comunes|s_a_m> sure
[15:08] == Bart_Massey has changed nick to Xorg|Bart_Massey
[15:08] <@carols> this was quite a difficult decision.
[15:08] == LimeSurvey|magic has changed nick to magiclko
[15:08] <@carols> we really liked your ideas page and your application.
[15:08] <+comunes|s_a_m> aha
[15:09] <@carols> i think you did a really good job with both.
[15:09] <@carols> unfortunately we just had so many space issues and other new orgs we were accepting this year, we couldn't take everyone we wanted to :-(
[15:09] <@carols> i'm sorry i don't have a more satisfying answer.
[15:10] <+comunes|s_a_m> did we reach an A+ for the ideas?
[15:10] <@carols> please try again next year!
[15:10] == LimeSurvey|ajs has changed nick to ajs
[15:10] <@carols> yes, definitely. i'm quite happy with the quality and the quantity.
[15:10] <+comunes|s_a_m> another issue was the supporting org, CreativeCommons, which didnt make it either...
[15:10] <+comunes|s_a_m> maybe we should find another supporting org for next year?
[15:11] <@carols> yes, please do. if there's another org that can vouch for you that definitely helps.
[15:11] <@carols> for new orgs the vouching system is particularly helpful
[15:11] <+comunes|s_a_m> another doubt we had was if being AGPL was not helpful, or if it didnt really matter
[15:12] <@carols> oh, that wasn't a factor.
[15:12] <@carols> don't worry about that.
[15:12] == eugeniom has changed nick to eadventure|eugen
[15:12] <+comunes|s_a_m> ok cool
[15:12] <@carols> this was just another tough call for us.
[15:12] <@carols> so please try again next year :-)
[15:12] <+comunes|s_a_m> sure we will
[15:12] <@carols> and thanks for applying!
[15:13] <@kblin> !nextinline
[15:13] <+gsocbot> kblin: Next in line is duraspace|bbrana with notice 'DuraSpace https://wiki.duraspace.org/display/GSOC/Google+Summer+of+Code+(GSOC)'
[15:13] <@carols> have a great summer :-)
[15:13] <@carols> hi duraspace folks
[15:13] == mode/#gsoc [+vv duraspace|cwilpe duraspace|bbrana] by kblin
[15:13] <+duraspace|bbrana> hello Carol
[15:13] == mode/#gsoc [-v comunes|s_a_m] by kblin
[15:13] <+duraspace|cwilpe> hi carols
[15:14] <@carols> aw man. another unsatisfying answer.
[15:14] <@carols> we really like your application and your ideas page
[15:14] <@carols> and we really wanted to give new orgs a chance to participate this year.
[15:15] <+duraspace|cwilpe> anything you noticed that we could improve on for next year?
[15:15] <@carols> i'll take a more in depth look, but my notes say this was basically just for space.
[15:15] <@carols> but let me see.
[15:16] <@carols> i do wish the fedora commons ideas page had a few more mentor possibilities, and i would like the duracloud page to have more ideas overall.
[15:16] <@carols> so you could improve that for next year.
[15:16] <@carols> but the decision we made this year was primarily because of space.
[15:17] <+duraspace|cwilpe> thanks carols, we'll be back next year :)
[15:17] <@carols> awesome
[15:17] <@carols> please do apply again next year
[15:17] <+duraspace|bbrana> should we consider combining the ideas pages for the projects, or is it acceptable to have them split apart
[15:17] <@carols> it's acceptable to split them apart, although it does make less work for me if its all on one page :-)
[15:17] <+duraspace|bbrana> sure
[15:17] <@carols> just a nice thing, not required :-)
[15:18] <@carols> thanks for your participation in the past!
[15:18] <+duraspace|bbrana> we have enjoyed our past summers, thanks for hosting the program
[15:18] <@carols> i hope you have a good summer.
[15:18] <@kblin> !nextinline
[15:18] <+gsocbot> kblin: Next in line is jMonkeyEngine|sb with notice 'jMonkeyEngine http://jmonkeyengine.org/gsoc-2012/ideas/'
[15:18] <@carols> of course.
[15:18] == mode/#gsoc [+v jMonkeyEngine|sb] by kblin
[15:18] <@carols> hi jmonkeyengine folks
[15:18] == mode/#gsoc [-vv duraspace|bbrana duraspace|bbrana] by kblin
[15:19] <@carols> so this decision was primarily because of the ideas page.
[15:19] <@carols> some of these ideas when i drill down don't have any details at all.
[15:20] <@carols> we want to see difficulty level, possible mentors, skills and languages required, and more information about the idea itself.
[15:20] <@carols> jMonkeyEngine|sb: you there?
[15:21] <@kblin> I was just wondering the same, but there's backlog :)
[15:21] <+jMonkeyEngine|sb> hi there
[15:21] <+jMonkeyEngine|sb> i'm sorry :)
[15:21] <@carols> ah ok
[15:21] <@carols> no problem
[15:21] <@carols> did you get that feedback?
[15:21] <+jMonkeyEngine|sb> yes, that's very much appreciated
[15:22] <@carols> great.
[15:22] <+jMonkeyEngine|sb> actually, mentors were in there though
[15:22] <@carols> let me look at your application as well
[15:23] <@carols> i also would have liked to see more information about getting the student involved and keeping them involved in the community.
[15:23] <@carols> i would like to see you've thought about how you'll keep them as long-term developers outside of gsoc.
[15:23] <+jMonkeyEngine|sb> ah ok
[15:23] <+jMonkeyEngine|sb> would it be helpful to put prior evidence in there?
[15:23] <@carols> yes, certainly.
[15:23] <+jMonkeyEngine|sb> we've got a history of turning small time contributors into core members
[15:23] <@carols> that's great. you should tell us about how you did that in your application :-)
[15:24] <+jMonkeyEngine|sb> trickery and candy ;)
[15:24] <@carols> haha
[15:24] <+jMonkeyEngine|sb> thanks, that's helpful though
[15:24] <@carols> well, there's something to be said for chocolate at least.
[15:24] <+jMonkeyEngine|sb> I was worried about sounding too mushy and cute in the app
[15:24] <@carols> thank you for your application.
[15:24] <+jMonkeyEngine|sb> thanks for your review
[15:24] <@carols> no, not too mushy. just want to see a lot of thought for each scenario/question
[15:24] <@carols> of course.
[15:24] <@carols> please try again next year!
[15:24] <+jMonkeyEngine|sb> definitely, cheers
[15:25] <@carols> cheers
[15:25] <@kblin> !nextinline
[15:25] <+gsocbot> kblin: Next in line is josh050 with notice 'azavea https://github.com/azavea/geotrellis/wiki/GoogleSummerOfCode2012'
[15:25] <@carols> hi azavea folks
[15:25] == mode/#gsoc [+v josh050] by kblin
[15:25] == mode/#gsoc [-v jMonkeyEngine|sb] by kblin
[15:27] <@carols> josh050: are you the azavea representative?
[15:27] <@carols> hm.
[15:27] <@carols> can anyone from azalea make yourself known to kblin?
[15:28] <@carols> i'll wait
[15:28] <@carols> azavea
[15:28] <@carols> sigh, too much typing.
[15:28] == mode/#gsoc [+v opentreemap|deb] by kblin
[15:28] <@carols> kblin: let's come back to them.
[15:28] <+opentreemap|deb> hi - the person for geotrellis unexpectedly had to leave
[15:28] <@carols> ah, ok
[15:29] <+opentreemap|deb> I can speak for him though - he's two desks over from me
[15:29] <@carols> cool, thanks.
[15:29] <+opentreemap|deb> sorry about that
[15:29] <@carols> no problem.
[15:29] <@carols> just a sec while i look over the app
[15:30] <@carols> so it looks like a couple things were the issue here: 1) the ideas on the ideas page could have used more detail in some cases.
[15:30] <+opentreemap|deb> okay
[15:30] <@carols> for example "web-based operation builder" could use a lot more detail.
[15:30] <@carols> there's a couple others.
[15:31] <+opentreemap|deb> okay I can see that
[15:31] <+opentreemap|deb> in general, would you prefer that we explain technical details or assume some student knowledge?
[15:31] <+opentreemap|deb> for example, raster analysis, map algebra, etc
[15:31] <@carols> well, you're welcome to include details and assume student knowledge, but lay all of that out.
[15:32] <@carols> easy, medium or hard difficulty level.
[15:32] <@carols> what's expected for the project outcome.
[15:32] <@carols> what languages the student will need.
[15:32] <@carols> etc.
[15:32] <@carols> also, on the application itself i would have appreciated a more extensive answer about how you'll keep students in involved in the community. simply providing a good experience for the student unfortunately doesn't cut it :-)
[15:32] <+opentreemap|deb> absolutely - I guess my question was whether we should state things like "map algebra is...."
[15:32] <@carols> ah, i see.
[15:33] <@carols> how about we split the difference and say just link to the wikipedia entry on it? :-)
[15:33] <+opentreemap|deb> ha!
[15:33] <+opentreemap|deb> we can do that :)
[15:33] <@carols> great.
[15:33] <+opentreemap|deb> and noted on the suggestion about keeping students involved
[15:33] <@carols> that's what sticks out to me.
[15:33] <@carols> great.
[15:33] <@carols> hope that's helpful.
[15:33] <+opentreemap|deb> it is
[15:33] <+opentreemap|deb> thank you
[15:33] <@carols> you're welcome
[15:33] <@carols> please try again next year, of course :-)
[15:33] <+opentreemap|deb> we will!
[15:33] <@carols> awesome :-)
[15:34] <@carols> have a great summer
[15:34] <@kblin> !nextinline
[15:34] <+gsocbot> kblin: Next in line is eadventure|angel with notice 'eucm http://gsoc2012.e-ucm.es/'
[15:34] <@carols> hi eucm folks
[15:34] == mode/#gsoc [+vv eadventure|angel eadventure|eugen] by kblin
[15:34] <+eadventure|angel> hi carols!
[15:34] <@carols> hi :-)
[15:34] <+eadventure|angel> eadventure|eugen is also of my tem
[15:34] == mode/#gsoc [-vv opentreemap|deb josh050] by kblin
[15:34] <+eadventure|angel> would you mind give him access?
[15:35] <+eadventure|angel> sorry, he already is :)
[15:35] <+eadventure|angel> ok, let's start
[15:35] <@carols> so, i like the organization of your ideas page, for sure.
[15:35] <@carols> but some of these are a little sparse and could use more info.
[15:36] <+eadventure|angel> nice to hear that
[15:36] <+eadventure|angel> ok
[15:36] <@carols> the quantity is great.
[15:36] <@carols> but i think students need a bit more to go on, particularly if they're not familiar with your project at first.
[15:36] <+eadventure|angel> like deeper explanations?
[15:37] <@carols> i'm glad you used the vouching system, that definitely helped you and will help you in the future if you decide to apply again.
[15:37] <@carols> eadventure|angel: yes.
[15:37] <+eadventure|angel> ok
[15:37] <@carols> also, i was sort of unclear how you'd have students working on site with you?
[15:37] <@carols> that was mostly just confusion, since this is an online program.
[15:37] <@carols> it wasn't a deal breaker for the app, just something i didn't quite grok.
[15:37] <+eadventure|angel> ok, we will try to make that clearer in the future
[15:38] <@carols> great, thank you.