12:04:21 From  Christine Fernsebner Eslao  to  Everyone : https://boston-public-library.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZUucu2vqD0pH91YbeOjAfZpH7uFfRNCyl8Y
12:04:57 From  Christine Fernsebner Eslao  to  Everyone : Event description here: https://bpl.bibliocommons.com/events/6082feae428df5450011f1a8
12:21:25 From  Susan Deborah Radovsky  to  Everyone : That is really wonderful, Chris!
12:21:28 From  Lori Robare  to  Everyone : Chris, have you had any issues with WIkidata items being questioned or deleted due to notability?
12:22:19 From  Julian Everett Allgood  to  Everyone : Terrific project, Chris! Thank you!
12:22:31 From  Christine Fernsebner Eslao  to  Everyone : I’d love the hear more about the process of disambiguating the “A Lady” authors or other generic pseudonyms
12:22:36 From  Dave  to  Everyone : A question for Chris, what do the Wikidata URLs look like as you feed them back into your collection?
12:22:40 From  Violet Fox (she/her)  to  Everyone : There are no notability requirements for people in Wikidata!
12:23:23 From  Susan Deborah Radovsky  to  Everyone : Hooray for P5008!
12:23:41 From  Adam Schiff  to  Everyone : The P5008 property didn't stop this issue from happening to us several times so far.
12:24:06 From  Christine Fernsebner Eslao  to  Everyone : Question for Mollie and Alex: can you share a link to the documentation that you showed, related to living persons! It looked so well-organized and thoughtful.
12:24:09 From  TJ Kao (UCD)  to  Everyone : We at UCD did have a couple of Wikidata entries being deleted due to notability issue. So, it IS an issue
12:24:10 From  Amy Eoff - Texas State University  to  Everyone : As a former student of Victorian literature, I salute your team and your dedication to dis-ambiguation! Huzzah!
12:24:11 From  Alex Whelan (he/him)  to  Everyone : Fair point Adam!
12:24:29 From  Stephen Hearn  to  Everyone : Is there a way to link an OCLC bib record to a Wikidata item for the person, i.e., in the Wikidata description? especially if there's no NACO person record to link to.
12:24:30 From  John Mark Ockerbloom  to  Everyone : (I vaguely recall some discussions on notability being relevant for living people who might wish to stay private, but I don’t have links to hand on that)
12:24:52 From  Adam Schiff  to  Everyone : There are some editors who seem to think they are the notability police, I think.
12:24:54 From  N C  to  Everyone : Alex and Mollie, with oral histories, are you linking to the finding aid or using has works in collection (P6379) or archives at property?
12:25:33 From  Christine Fernsebner Eslao  to  Everyone : Thanks for your answer, Chris!
12:25:39 From  Adam Schiff  to  Everyone : Having LCNAF and VIAF IDs in the items helps a lot I think
12:26:21 From  Susan Hoover  to  Everyone : We linked ours to P5008 as soon as we created/enhanced them, to try to avoid deletion for non-notability. Also LCNAF and VIAF where possible.
12:26:27 From  Adam Schiff  to  Everyone : Maybe we need a new property "oral history at"?
12:26:50 From  Christine Fernsebner Eslao  to  Everyone : +1 Amy Eoff — having worked on a project involving 18th c. literature, I’ve seen that disambiguation of this sort is a lot of work, when it’s even possible
12:26:57 From  Iman Dagher  to  Everyone : Chris, did you have to create wikidata items for the books/poems in your project?
12:27:09 From  Zack Lane  to  Everyone : I like that idea, Adam
12:27:11 From  Susan Deborah Radovsky  to  Everyone : Great question, Iman!
12:27:23 From  Ken Robinson  to  Everyone : I think the more external IDs you put in a Wikidata record, the less it becomes an issue of notability.
12:27:32 From  Alex Whelan (he/him)  to  Everyone : @Christine - our documentation is here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BncEZCRShN9mvuO5mD6zfw9Kiw_C-AH-COPSuarElZ4/edit
12:27:53 From  Christine Fernsebner Eslao  to  Everyone : Alex, thanks! Requested access
12:27:54 From  Mary Aycock  to  Everyone : I've wondered the same about a new property for oral histories Adam.
12:28:01 From  N C  to  Everyone : Thank you so much! Tricky with item level legacy issues.
12:28:19 From  Adam Schiff  to  Everyone : +1 Ken.  And "described at URL" and OCLC WorldCat identifiers help too
12:28:43 From  Alex Whelan (he/him)  to  Everyone : Oh sorry Christine! Permissions, agh. Here’s the project page too with all documentation, we’ll work on making all of those links accessible outside CUL: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_PCC_Wikidata_Pilot/Participants/Columbia_University_Libraries
12:28:43 From  Adam Schiff  to  Everyone : OCLC control number (P243)
12:29:11 From  Susan Deborah Radovsky  to  Everyone : Thanks for the page link, Alex!
12:29:32 From  Christine Fernsebner Eslao  to  Everyone : +1. Thanks again, Alex!
12:29:35 From  Adam Schiff  to  Everyone : And OCLC work ID (P5331) for work records
12:29:40 From  Violet Fox (she/her)  to  Everyone : https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:WikiProject_PCC_Wikidata_Pilot/UNLV
12:30:13 From  Adam Schiff  to  Everyone : We include the OCLC identifier on our thesis items, and they have not been questioned for notability
12:30:36 From  hilary thorsen  to  Everyone : Thinking a best practice page with properties that seem to help with establishing notability might be useful for the pilot
12:30:45 From  Michelle M. Durocher  to  Lori Robare(Direct Message) : I'd love some help mining the Chat for any unasked questions in case we have time to turn back to them at the end. Can you help?
12:30:52 From  Adam Schiff  to  Everyone : That's a great idea, Hilary
12:30:55 From  Susan Deborah Radovsky  to  Everyone : That would be very helpful, Hilary!
12:31:15 From  Christine Fernsebner Eslao  to  Everyone : +1 Hilary
12:31:48 From  Lori Robare  to  Michelle M. Durocher(Direct Message) : Yes! I'll peruse the chat.
12:31:53 From  Susan Hoover  to  Everyone : As a reminder, the WD notability guidelines are here: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Notability and you can see the bar is set pretty low.
12:31:53 From  Adam Schiff  to  Everyone : Violet: we just proposed an identifier for the Newspaper Genre List, and we have created numerous new items for specific genres that are on that list
12:32:01 From  Michelle M. Durocher  to  Lori Robare(Direct Message) : thanks so much!
12:32:14 From  Christine Fernsebner Eslao  to  Everyone : Violet, have you had any issues with forms loading slowly or not at all? I’ve mostly found them reliable, if occasionally slow, but I’ve struggled to troubleshoot this for others
12:32:38 From  Adam Schiff  to  Everyone : Even though the bar is set low, some editors who propose deletions don't follow those guidelines :(
12:33:05 From  Susan Deborah Radovsky  to  Everyone : +1 Christine.
12:33:50 From  John Mark Ockerbloom  to  Everyone : I appreciate the work Violet and her colleagues have been doing!  The other day, I found myself adding Penn’s copyright info property (from our PCC project) to a Las Vegas newspaper item create in her PCC project. PCC Wikidata synergy!
12:34:11 From  Susan Deborah Radovsky  to  Everyone : This looks awesome, Violet!
12:34:13 From  P Dragon  to  Everyone : Are there particular situations when you found quickstatements most useful?  Did you mostly add single properties to a bunch of items?
12:35:17 From  Adam Schiff  to  Everyone : We are using quickstatements to create items for our theses and dissertations. We start with the MARC records and end up with WD items
12:35:27 From  Susan Deborah Radovsky  to  Everyone : Great presentation!
12:35:30 From  Violet Fox (she/her)  to  Everyone : https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:WikiProject_PCC_Wikidata_Pilot/UNLV
12:35:37 From  Adam Schiff  to  Everyone : Very cool Violet!
12:35:39 From  Joy Panigabutra-Roberts  to  Everyone : Great project, Violet!
12:35:51 From  Christine Fernsebner Eslao  to  Everyone : Great presentation!
12:36:23 From  Ho, Jeannette A  to  Everyone : We are using OpenRefine to batch upload data to Wikidata to generate new or enhance exising items.  Are there advantages to using Quickstatements to do this?
12:36:27 From  Christine Fernsebner Eslao  to  Everyone : Thanks, Violet!
12:36:28 From  Susan Deborah Radovsky  to  Everyone : Aha — that might be a factor with Cradle slowness!
12:36:40 From  Susan Hoover  to  Everyone : Great question, Jeannette!
12:37:15 From  Susan Deborah Radovsky  to  Everyone : Thank you so much for recording these sessions. I will be rematching these presentations!
12:37:29 From  Susan Deborah Radovsky  to  Everyone : rewatching!
12:37:54 From  Paul Burley  to  Everyone : Jeanette I'm not aware that the OpenRefine batch upload allows some qualifiers and... some other things that I forgot.
12:38:36 From  Paul Burley  to  Everyone : I've defaulted to using both, but I'm not sure why!
12:38:55 From  Alexandra Wong  to  Everyone : At University of Toronto Libraries, we have used both QuickStatements and OpenRefine - OpenRefine allowed us to use the qualifiers we wanted to use, but it does have a bit more of a learning curve than QuickStatements!
12:38:57 From  N C  to  Everyone : Openrefine is really nice for data that varies widely, vs QuickStatements is nice for creating new entries that has many similarities (ex, departments in a university)
12:39:19 From  N C  to  Everyone : And agree with @Alexandra Wong about the learning curve!
12:40:08 From  Christa Strickler  to  Everyone : I would love to hear more about how to use qualifiers in Open Refine. I haven't figured that one out yet!
12:40:29 From  Kelli Babcock  to  Everyone : Hi everyone! Thanks to Alex for presenting on behalf of our PCC group here at U of T :)
12:41:28 From  Susan Hoover  to  Everyone : I’ve been able to use OpenRefine to add statements with qualifiers (start time / end time) and references. Maybe there are specific qualifiers that don’t work?
12:42:10 From  Zoe Dobbs  to  Everyone : I think it's that QS ignores qualifiers when matching statements
12:42:34 From  Joy Panigabutra-Roberts  to  Everyone : I’m interested in the indigenous subject headings. Thanks, Alex and UofToronto for working on these projects.
12:42:57 From  P Dragon  to  Everyone : What are you looking for in an assessment for your projects?  Greater traffic to your resources?  Other things?
12:43:43 From  Christa Strickler  to  Everyone : I haven't figured how to use qualifiers for multiple authors of a scholarly article, such as for first author, second author, etc.
12:43:47 From  Susan Hoover  to  Everyone : Yes, if you have a statement about property Pxxx with no qualifiers, and your upload has a statement about property Pxxx with or without qualifiers, I think the upload will create a new duplicate-ish statement instead of enhancing an existing one.
12:44:40 From  Dave  to  Everyone : https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/campaigns/pcc_wikidata_pilot/programs P Dragon, there's a dashboard that tracks certain outcomes (not that that's the end goal for everyone.) But I think it's pretty neat to see metrics and article views.
12:44:50 From  May Chan  to  Everyone : @Joy, we had to put on hold our explorations with subject headings due to a vocabulary developed by another community we were hoping to use not being ready for widespread use. But we can talk about separately about lessons there in that process.
12:46:02 From  Lori Robare  to  Everyone : I see different institutional levels used with "archives at": the university, the library, the archives department. I'm curious about how people think through that choice.
12:46:43 From  John Mark Ockerbloom  to  Everyone : Nice use of Wikidata and Wikipedia hooks! Do you add the “Archives at” box on Wikipedia articles manually?  (If so, is that part of your standard workflow?  Or, if it’s automatic, how did you manage that?)
12:47:15 From  Elizabeth Russey Roke  to  Everyone : Lori, if your institutional entities are set up properly to link to each other, it shouldn’t matter which level the archivesAt property is used.  We use the archive, which is partOf the Univ library which is partOf the university.
12:47:42 From  Lori Robare  to  Everyone : Thanks, Elizabeth!
12:47:47 From  Kelli Babcock  to  Everyone : John - yes, it is manual right now
12:47:57 From  Ho, Jeannette A  to  Everyone : I also found that if you later upload a statement with new qualifiers, it duplicates it in Wikidata instead of replaces it.  So some manual cleanup is involved.
12:48:01 From  Alex Whelan (he/him)  to  Everyone : Yes, the “archives at” is interesting. As I mentioned, our oral history interviews are technically accessed through the rare book and manuscript library, but single interviewees in a larger project wouldn’t necessarily be considered someone with “archives” at Columbia…nor are the OH collections controlled archival. Yet we’re interested in linking these back to Columbia somehow. It’s a question that’s come up but we don’t have a solution necessarily.
12:48:20 From  Kelli Babcock  to  Everyone : I’m just in the Archives Association of Ontario annual conference at the same time as this call chatting about “Archives At” infobox Wikipedia edit-a-thon ideas :)
12:48:27 From  Ho, Jeannette A  to  Everyone : But we haven't run into any situations yet where OpenRefine won't allow us to add certain qualifiers.
12:48:42 From  John Mark Ockerbloom  to  Everyone : Thanks!  (The other infoboxes I’m familiar with are also added manually, but I wanted to check to be sure.)
12:48:45 From  Kristin Anderson  to  Everyone : Any difficulties with "Archives at" boxes being removed?
12:48:57 From  Eric Willey (he,him,his)  to  Everyone : @Lori, We use "archives at" the archives dept. because it's at a different physical address than the main library. I don't know that anyone has ever tried to get there via Wikidata address, but it seemed to make sense.
12:49:02 From  Joy Panigabutra-Roberts  to  Everyone : @May thanks. We are monitoring other projects related to this issue as well.
12:49:23 From  Dave  to  Everyone : RE: outcomes for the pilot, I think it would be great to see another round of lightning sessions on what sort of SPARQL queries people are running. (Or more from the visuals like Violet presented!)
12:49:33 From  Alex Whelan (he/him)  to  Everyone : +1 Dave
12:49:45 From  Joy Panigabutra-Roberts  to  Everyone : I have to leave earlier to prep for another meeting. Thank you all for your work and presentations!
12:49:46 From  Christa Strickler  to  Everyone : +1 Dave
12:50:03 From  Paul Burley  to  Everyone : "Archives at"... that's been a challenge to find consensus. Our archives & special collections recently reorganized so it made it more difficult.
12:50:13 From  N C  to  Everyone : For oral histories at Texas State University, we chose to use "Has works in collection" vs "Archives at" so we could link to an oral history collection entry, which is then linked to the University Library. I use archvies at for full finding aids that I can link to
12:50:14 From  Kelli Babcock  to  Everyone : Ditto to Elizabeth on the structure of our institution in “archives at”. We link to the holding institution, and their Wikidata item is linked within our overall U of T Libraries org structure in Wikidata. More info on org structure: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_University_of_Toronto_Libraries/Data_Model_for_Libraries_and_Archives
12:50:34 From  Alex Whelan (he/him)  to  Everyone : @N C interesting, we might take a look at that. Thanks!
12:51:59 From  Adam Schiff  to  Everyone : Have you considered a property like we set up: Archives West finding aid ID.  Do you have a similar finding aid website with unique IDs?
12:52:01 From  Iman Dagher  to  Everyone : we add  "archives at" for our special collections items as well, that can help  to increase visibility to our institution 
12:52:13 From  Kelli Babcock  to  Everyone : I haven’t seen any “Archives at” inboxes removed so far, too.
12:52:44 From  Paloma Graciani Picardo  to  Everyone : For folks using "archives at", are you also adding the property if you have a portion of the archival collection? And if so, are you adding other institutions that hold larger portions of the collection as part of your workflow? Trying to figure out best practices for that
12:52:50 From  Elizabeth Russey Roke  to  Everyone : One thing that we’re really careful about when we use archivesAt is to also add other institutions that holds papers of that entity, especially if we don’t hold the predominant collection.
12:53:19 From  Kelli Babcock  to  Everyone : Paloma - we are only doing top level collections/fonds. So if we have a file-level record for someone notable we are not adding that to Wikidata right now.
12:53:44 From  Lori Robare  to  Michelle M. Durocher(Direct Message) : An earlier question I'm not sure was answered, from DAve at 9:22: A question for Chris, what do the Wikidata URLs look like as you feed them back into your collection?

12:54:32 From  Paul Burley  to  Everyone : I wish I'd seen these different approaches to "archives at" before I'd started our project.
12:54:44 From  Paloma Graciani Picardo  to  Everyone : Thanks Kelli and Elizabeth. It really helps to hear what other institutions are doing
12:54:49 From  Jiyun Jung  to  Everyone : on the multiple institutions point (by Elizabeth), just noting that the Wikipedia infobox is currently limited in displaying results for more than one institution
12:55:37 From  Lori Robare  to  Michelle M. Durocher(Direct Message) : Other earlier questions were answered/discussed in chat: Is there a way to link to the OCLC bib? (Adam answered); maybe we need a new property for "oral history at" (agreement in chat); Hilary suggests a best practices page for properties that help with notability (much agreement).
12:56:15 From  Paloma Graciani Picardo  to  Everyone : Also very interested in this conversation about assessment. We are currently discussing this at University of Texas at Austin. Maybe it would be a good topic for future PCC Wikidata Pilot meeting?
12:56:55 From  hilary thorsen  to  Everyone : Dashboard
12:56:56 From  hilary thorsen  to  Everyone : https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/campaigns/pcc_wikidata_pilot/overview
12:57:27 From  hilary thorsen  to  Everyone : https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_PCC_Wikidata_Pilot/Pilot_Resources
12:57:41 From  Michelle M. Durocher  to  Lori Robare(Direct Message) : any questions that you found earlier on that you think we should ask?
12:58:52 From  Paul Burley  to  Everyone : A great topic Paloma. I'm not interested in the number of items we've created. I'm interested in assessing Wikidata skills & competencies of the members of our pilot project team.
12:59:04 From  Lori Robare  to  Michelle M. Durocher(Direct Message) : Just this one -- I didn't hear it answered but not sure:  from DAve at 9:22: A question for Chris, what do the Wikidata URLs look like as you feed them back into your collection?

12:59:28 From  Michelle M. Durocher  to  Lori Robare(Direct Message) : eek running out of time I think...
12:59:28 From  Christine Fernsebner Eslao  to  Everyone : Hilary, that was quick!
12:59:29 From  Kelli Babcock  to  Everyone : ^I think we are in a similar spot as Paul. It’s more a “communicating benefits” or “defining value of this work” issue.
12:59:35 From  hilary thorsen  to  Everyone : https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_PCC_Wikidata_Pilot/Pilot_Best_Practices/Properties_Helpful_for_Establishing_Notability
12:59:38 From  Lori Robare  to  Michelle M. Durocher(Direct Message) : I think it's fine!
12:59:40 From  Susan Deborah Radovsky  to  Everyone : Thanks, Hilary!
12:59:51 From  Kelli Babcock  to  Everyone : Thank you, Hilary!
12:59:53 From  Amy Eoff - Texas State University  to  Everyone : These presentations have all been excellent -- great illustration on how varied and variously applicable WikiData is! Huzzah and merci beaucoup to ALL the presenters!
13:00:08 From  P Dragon  to  Everyone : This was wonderful!  Thanks!
13:00:10 From  Paloma Graciani Picardo  to  Everyone : Our interest is to figure out how does it improve access to the collections, so we can get more buy in from our admin team
13:00:11 From  Susan Deborah Radovsky  to  Everyone : I’m glad there will be another session like this!
13:00:11 From  Iman Dagher  to  Everyone : Thank you to all presenters, Michelle and Hilary!
13:00:19 From  Paul Burley  to  Everyone : Thanks all, this was wonderful.
13:00:23 From  Eric Willey (he,him,his)  to  Everyone : Thank you everyone these were great!
13:00:25 From  May Chan  to  Everyone : Thank you to all the presenters! More creative inspiration!
13:00:26 From  Paloma Graciani Picardo  to  Everyone : Thanks all presenters, this was great!
13:00:30 From  Christine Fernsebner Eslao  to  Everyone : Thanks for this! Great presentations.
13:00:30 From  Julian Everett Allgood  to  Everyone : Thank you all; wonderful!
13:00:43 From  Darnelle Melvin  to  Everyone : Great job everyone
13:00:43 From  Rita Johnston (she/her)  to  Everyone : Thanks to all presenters, they were all really interesting!
13:00:45 From  Soo Bae  to  Everyone : Thank you!
13:00:46 From  Paromita Biswas  to  Everyone : Thanks all!
13:00:47 From  Lori Robare  to  Everyone : Thanks to all presenters!
13:00:49 From  Alex Whelan (he/him)  to  Everyone : Thank you!
13:00:56 From  John Mark Ockerbloom  to  Everyone : Thanks!
13:01:06 From  Dakota Pereira  to  Everyone : Many thanks!