12:16:43 From Ruth : Or "position held" 12:17:01 From Adam Schiff : that's what I was thinking Ruth 12:17:58 From Karly (she/her) : instead of country of citizenship we are planning to use "place of work," because we don't know their citizenship status 12:18:11 From Jesse Lambertson : has anyone proposed a new property yet? There is a process detailed here: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal (just curious) 12:18:25 From Karly (she/her) : *work location 12:18:30 From Karly (she/her) : https://m.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P937 12:18:39 From Diana Brooking (UW) : Adam Schiff has proposed new properties 12:18:39 From P Dragon : Thanks, Karly. That is helpful. 12:18:55 From Karly (she/her) : @Jesse, we at the Frick Art Reference Library have proposed identifier properties 12:19:00 From Adam Schiff : choral conductor (P5024) 12:19:28 From Christa Strickler : There is an item for choir director: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1076502 12:19:45 From Christa Strickler : which has an AKA of choral conductor 12:19:54 From Karly (she/her) : here is one of our proposals: https://m.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Spanish_Artists_from_the_Fourth_to_the_Twentieth_Century_ID 12:20:07 From Jesse Lambertson : thank you 12:20:18 From Karly (she/her) : but identifiers are likely the easiest kind of property proposals, we've done done a non-identifier property 12:20:20 From Ruth : IMO I think proposing new properties is good but we shouldn't use it to add things just to support MARC mapping... stuff like identifiers is a great use though. 12:20:47 From Adam Schiff : We have done a number of property proposals as well, mostly identifiers, but some others as well 12:20:58 From Karly (she/her) : *we've not done (sorry typing on phone!) 12:21:44 From Ruth : Oof, Work/Expression is indeed in Wikidata BUT it's a mess IMO 12:21:45 From Chiat Naun Chew : There was a PCC task group on elements in beta RDA and they raised the question of whether elements (properties) needed to be as granular as they are in RDA, in particular whether they needed to imply a particular kind of object. 12:22:05 From Adam Schiff : Our property proposals that have been approved to date: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_PCC_Wikidata_Pilot/University_of_Washington/Properties_Created_or_Edited 12:22:07 From Ruth : it's not thoroughly implemented, e.g. Books have work/expression but like films don't so much. 12:22:36 From Jesse Lambertson : thank you for sharing @Adam (and everyone) 12:22:44 From Christa Strickler : Does Wikidata have work/expression? My understanding is that it is more work/manifestation. But yes, it is a mess. 12:22:48 From Karly (she/her) : yes, I have not worked on Wikidata items for books yet because I find it so confusing 12:22:53 From Ruth : Hm, good point, more manifestation than expressoin 12:23:05 From Ruth : it's such a hot mess ^_^; 12:23:06 From Christine Fernsebner Eslao : Might it be useful to invite someone from https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Books to talk about works/expressions/editions etc? 12:23:10 From Dean Seeman : Jesse : we attempted to create a property for "correspondent of" to try to track significant correspondence between people in our special collections. It was rejected! but we got some instruction for an alternative property "significant person" with a qualifier of Object Has Role "correspondent" 12:23:26 From Chiat Naun Chew : It would be interesting to hear about the workflows where these mappings would be used 12:23:28 From Alexandra Alisa Provo : @Christine yes, that would be helpful 12:23:29 From Christine Fernsebner Eslao : (It is, as Ruth says, a hot mess.) 12:24:04 From Joanna Fuchs : right now, I'm working on creating departments connected to Brandeis and I find it tricky at times cause there isn't a real good cross walk from Marc21 to Wikidata. Is anyone else working on corporate bodies? 12:24:06 From Alexandra Alisa Provo : I’d specifically like to talk about where OCLC identifiers go. 12:24:37 From Adam Schiff : I've done all of the departments, schools, etc. of UW already so might be able to help. 12:24:40 From Jesse Lambertson : very interesting @Dean 12:24:59 From TJ Kao (UCD) : I found the SCA mapping very helpful for training and learning Wikidata 12:25:33 From Suzanne Pilsk : Yes - corporate bodies is something we are very interested in doing and have taken gentle stabs 12:25:36 From Adam Schiff : Here's the list of all our corporate bodies that we've created o far: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_PCC_Wikidata_Pilot/University_of_Washington/Items_Created_or_Edited:_Organizations_Only 12:25:43 From Gina Solares : Could you re-share the timeline for making the SCA mapping public? 12:25:44 From Joseph Angelo : @Joanna, I'm working on corporate bodies, specifically NM state government agencies 12:26:06 From Adam Schiff : And here's our application profile for departments: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_PCC_Wikidata_Pilot/University_of_Washington/Application_Profiles/UW_Corporate_Bodies 12:26:15 From Karly (she/her) : do properties need to be bidirectional though? 12:26:18 From Joy Panigabutra-Roberts : Translation (P5972) per expression 12:26:36 From Joseph Angelo : Thanks for sharing Adam! 12:26:46 From Adam Schiff : They do not need to be bidirectional, and one that I proposed as an inverse was rejected 12:27:08 From Jim Hahn : Metadata schemes are like toothbrushes, everyone has one and no one wants to use anyone elses 12:28:03 From Jesse Lambertson : yah, that seems useful advice 12:28:12 From Karly (she/her) : yeah, creating reciprocal properties to me then creates a lot of redundancy 12:29:05 From Christine Fernsebner Eslao : +1 Ruth 12:29:09 From Karly (she/her) : you can query something essentially "backwards" with SPARQL 12:29:14 From Rhonda Kauffman (she/hers) : +1 Ruth 12:29:15 From Ruth : What Karly said! 12:29:17 From J Shieh : +1 Ruth 12:29:23 From Karly (she/her) : +1 Ruth! 12:29:24 From Nancy Fallgren : +1 Ruth 12:29:30 From Robin Elizabeth Desmeules, Ms. : +1 Ruth! 12:29:32 From Joy Panigabutra-Roberts : +1 Ruth 12:29:40 From Crystal : i really like that idea of sending property proposals out to the pilot list 12:29:46 From Ruth : same, Crystal! 12:29:49 From Adam Schiff : That's why one of our proposals was rejected in fact. They said the inverse was easily searchable 12:29:54 From Christine Fernsebner Eslao : That’s a great idea. 12:30:18 From Gina Solares : Thanks so much to PCC Standing Committee on Applications for doing this work! 12:30:28 From Christine Fernsebner Eslao : Could we perhaps create a space on the pilot wiki presence for listing our proposals and their progress? 12:30:31 From Karly (she/her) : yes, that feedback makes sense to me Adam 12:30:53 From Nancy Fallgren : that sounds like a good idea Christine 12:30:54 From Ruth : Maybe it would be good to help spell out some of how to do these inverse-seearches? 12:31:14 From Dean Seeman : definitely ruth for marc and also for FRBR / IFLA-LRM : maybe we shouldn't expect other systems to adopt theoretical models we ourselves have a hard time defining? 12:32:00 From Diana Brooking (UW) : +1 Dean 12:32:02 From hilary thorsen : I recommend enabling the relateditems gadget for displaying inverse statements on an item by item basis 12:32:03 From Adam Schiff : I hope that the links in id.loc.gov to Wikidata will also be made from LCGFT, LCDGT, LCMPT, not just from LCSH and NAF 12:33:05 From Joy Panigabutra-Roberts : +1 Hilary. This gadget is very helpful 12:33:12 From Crystal : christine that sounds really useful. 12:33:37 From Ruth : +1Dean 12:34:51 From Karly (she/her) : clicking "What links here" in the left-hand column is also helpful to see what other items reference an item you're working on 12:35:32 From Marc McGee : bit.ly/lcphotoexpt 12:36:26 From Ruth : Oh gosh I always forget "what links here" thank you! 12:37:06 From Susan Deborah Radovsky : Thanks, Marc! 12:37:36 From J Shieh : Yes, “what links here” is great to see what the gaps are for data enhancement for a specific set of items 12:38:58 From Karly (she/her) : just enabled relatedItems, how cool! thanks for the rec Hilary 12:42:45 From Diane Shaw : I've encountered a few instances of vandalism on WD; I haven't reported them, just corrected them, but how do others handle this? 12:42:56 From Adam Schiff : I fix them 12:43:15 From J Shieh : Matt, what is your definition for “completeness” of an entity? Are there set of properties list that you use to check against? 12:43:19 From Crystal : i fix them too 12:43:22 From Suzanne Pilsk : How much time does it take to go through the vandalism? 12:43:23 From Lucas Mak : if we record LCCNs in the external identifiers section in Wikidata items, will the Wikidata Q number get picked up and be included on id.loc.gov as part of your processing? 12:43:24 From Paul Burley : Check my Watchlist(s) every day 12:44:08 From Jesse Lambertson : that is great Adam! 12:44:20 From Diane Shaw : I hadn't thought about using watchlists this way, but good advice Paul 12:44:46 From Brandie Pullen : Does anyone know of a bot to automatically put the LCCN into relevant wikidata items? 12:44:53 From Sarah Osborne Bender (she/her) : Thanks, Matt! You've done a lot of really interesting work over the past couple of years, I've enjoyed following along on Twitter. 12:44:59 From Christine Fernsebner Eslao : I’ve simply fixed vandalism when I’ve found it; has anyone tried getting items protected? https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Page_protection_policy 12:47:14 From Julian Everett Allgood : In addition to the Works vs. Expressions distinction(s) within Wikidata, some Serials folks have also encountered cases where Wikidata Works may not always exactly parallel what the MARC/RDA Community considers a Continuing Resource title change. Many Serials folks don’t believe this represents a major problem, but how different communities (i.e., library and non-library communities) define title changes and the like needs to be recognized and valued. 12:47:15 From Timothy Ryan Mendenhall (he/him) : Have you pulled more non-Roman script labels into id.loc.gov or LC/NAF via Wikidata yet, or is this being planned? 12:47:37 From Brandie Pullen : Thank you! 12:47:49 From Susan Deborah Radovsky : Such helpful work! 12:48:13 From Alexandra Alisa Provo : Matt, can you go back to the slide when you talked about using Quickstatements and say more about why you’d do things differently next time? 12:49:30 From Jesse Lambertson : Is all vandalism obvious as vandalism? What kinds of things have folks seen that are vandalized? i am thinking about the presuppositional questions involved in 'protecting' from vandalism. curious. thank you 12:49:46 From Paul Burley : https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q506878 12:50:18 From Alexandra Alisa Provo : Thanks, that’s super helpful! 12:50:19 From Paul Burley : Item for Emmett Till, was vandalized, but on my watchlist 12:50:26 From Diane Shaw : Once I found that "Wolf" (for the animal) had its label changed to "Fat Thing". Weird vandalism. 12:50:32 From Jesse Lambertson : ok, thank you @paul 12:50:48 From Adam Schiff : I had recently Venezuelans: instance of: nationality changed to instance of Peppa Pig 12:51:03 From Paul Burley : Rather than request a protect, just asked colleagues to add items to their watchlists 12:51:07 From Susan Deborah Radovsky : Vandals with too much time on their hands! 12:51:12 From Suzanne Pilsk : And how much time is spent reviewing those these error repots? 12:51:13 From Beth Camden : in response to Everett: Penn has been working on serials. I've encountered a variety of practices for exiting titles: one entity for all title changes vs multiple entities. If creating from scratch I do multiples, but is something is there, I work with it--adding multiple ISSN with date constraints for example 12:51:15 From Joy Panigabutra-Roberts : LC authorities may have more non-Roman scripts than Wikidata. It would be cool if LC can contribute these scripts to Wikidata for names lacking the scripts. 12:51:23 From Ruth : If I had that much time, I'd be quilting! lolsob 12:51:38 From Chiat Naun Chew : Interested in Ryan’s question about non-Roman labels. More generally, is there data in wikidata that we can use that isn’t sufficiently available in the NAF? 12:51:51 From Christine Fernsebner Eslao : I’m hesitant to link to the items whose label vandalism I’ve reverted because the content tends to be obscene. But most of what I’ve seen has been on items related to Black and African-American history 12:52:04 From Christine Fernsebner Eslao : And it tends to be really obviously ill-intentioned. 12:52:23 From Christine Fernsebner Eslao : (I haven’t seen that many, though.) 12:52:45 From Timothy Ryan Mendenhall (he/him) : Yes, I was thinking re. non-Roman scripts that there are still some scripts, or portions of scripts (e.g. non-Slavic Cyrillic characters) that cannot be input into LC/NAF records 12:52:54 From hilary thorsen : Created a very brief page to share property proposals and their statuses for our pilot project with a very basic table. Please feel free to change it significantly and improve it and add your proposals. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_PCC_Wikidata_Pilot/Pilot_Resources/Property_Proposals#Property_Proposals_by_Pilot_Participants 12:53:06 From Jesse Lambertson : very helpful - thank you 12:53:28 From J Shieh : Non-Roman scripts may not be helpful to pull in to LCANF as there is not a available Marc code for distinguishing one non-Latin script to another. They are usually coded in 4xx. However that may change for BF, since language-script code can be applied. 12:53:40 From Adam Schiff : Thanks HIlary, I will add ours that are still in process 12:53:45 From Neil M. Frau-Cortes - U.Maryland : We had one case at Maryland. They imply marked our records for deletion as not relevant. Lots of them. For another project, somebody from an Arab country half erased a Medieval Jewish author record, but only one. 12:53:59 From Susan Deborah Radovsky : Thank you, Hilary! 12:54:23 From Christine Fernsebner Eslao : Thanks so much, Hilary! 12:54:44 From Adam Schiff : We have had one item for a professor at UW deleted because they said it was "promotional", which it wasn't 12:54:55 From Iman Dagher : what is the effect in the case of two NARs being merged ? how can this be solved in Wikidata? 12:55:24 From Timothy Ryan Mendenhall (he/him) : I’ve seen some things that may not be vandalism per se, but have a clear agenda. So in places like Central Europe, language has historically been charged, so in some cases I’ve seen language properties used in ways that seem somewhat incorrect in the service of what may be a nationalist agenda 12:56:08 From Iman Dagher : yes 12:56:35 From Adam Schiff : We have sometimes had to put the same LCSH LCCN on two Wikidata items, and get a warning, but sometimes it is necessary 12:56:43 From Adam Schiff : e.g. Forests and forestry 12:57:34 From Alexandra Alisa Provo : Thank you, Lucas and Matt! 12:57:41 From Joy Panigabutra-Roberts : Thanks so much, Lucas and Matt! 12:57:49 From Susan Deborah Radovsky : Thanks for a great community and meeting! 12:57:50 From Iman Dagher : Thank you all! 12:57:56 From Jesse Lambertson : thank you everyone 12:58:01 From Crystal : thanks! 12:58:03 From Chiat Naun Chew : Thanks, terrific presentations & discussion 12:58:03 From Melanie Wacker : Thank you all. Great meeting! 12:58:06 From Julian Everett Allgood : Thanks so much to Lucas and Matt! 12:58:08 From hilary thorsen : Thanks all! 12:58:09 From Allison T : Thanks! 12:58:16 From Thomas Dousa : Thank you! 12:58:16 From Stavroula Angoura : Thank you !! 12:58:26 From Lori Robare : Thanks all! 12:58:28 From Christine Fernsebner Eslao : Thank you! 12:58:29 From Amy Eoff - Texas State University : Thank you to everyone--great information!! 12:58:30 From Beth Guay : Thanks so much! 12:58:34 From Marc McGee : Great work! Thank you for sharing 12:58:36 From Joseph Angelo : Thank you! 12:58:37 From EBurnand : Thanks, really helpful info 12:58:45 From Jesse Lambertson : cheers 12:58:47 From Paromita Biswas : thanks! 12:58:49 From Soo Bae : Thank you! 12:58:50 From Younas : Thank you 12:58:50 From Joy Panigabutra-Roberts : Thank you All 12:58:51 From Anna Dysert : Thanks all! 12:58:53 From Matthew Miller : Thanks! Bye 12:58:57 From Felicia Piscitelli : Thank you! 12:58:59 From Mary Aycock : Thank you! 12:59:00 From Sonia Agnew : thank you! 12:59:01 From Ian : Thanks! 12:59:04 From Pete Steadman : thank you! 12:59:07 From Anna Neatrour : thanks!!!